JonnyKnoxville

You do realize you are considering joining a pilot group that gets sued on a regular basis by its management team?

You are considering joining an airline with a horrible safety record with future accidents likely to happen as nothing has changed since the last two accidents.

You are considering joining an airline with an approximate 60% failure rate for initial training as a new hire.

You can't come up with any better company to work for?

Elevation

Looking back about 10 years we are over 4 times more likely to have an accident-level event on any given departure than an average airline. Even if we discount the recent events as some kind of aberration, we'rem still twice as likely to have an accident as an average airline.
Some other ACMI companies doing similar have better accident/departure average over the same timeframe. We could probably learn from them.

The situation is disconcerting. I only hope we can resist the urge to descend into infighting and actually focus on getting our stuff together.

dba74

Well said...sad but true

Kerizbro

Who said I was considering joining?

I just wanted to know what they credit monthly compared to atlas pilots on the 74 or 76.

Birdsmash

It is difficult to gather real information in SouthernAir threads due to the majority of the reply’s coming from a few Atlas pilots who have been tasked to destroy the aspirations of potential SouthernAir or Atlas new hires in an effort to gain leverage at the negotiating table. I get it.

However, Atlas & Southern are still two separate airlines with separate cultures and vastly different safety records. I say this very hesitantly because tragedy could strike tomorrow at Southern. I challenge anybody on here to find major incidents or accidents Southern has been involved in?

Southern is once again being challenged with rapid growth and a relatively tremendous amount of new hire training. New pilots increase the risk of any operation. So far, the Southern Training Department has held the line (I hope) and not allowed unqualified pilots to be released to fly. Due to lesser experienced pilots trying to make it over the hurdle, which hasn’t been lowered, there has been an increase in failures at all stages of training. This is a sign of a healthy training department which is functioning the way it is supposed to.

Southern’s training programs are not geared to take barely capable pilots and turn them into quick upgrade candidates on the 737 or cruise PICs on the 777. If you do not posses strong piloting skills do not apply at either Southern or Atlas. Do not be led astray by Atlas/Southern’s HR department’s clueless promises or temptations. Remember, you are being trained by your fellow pilots who have vastly different views then Management's growth at all cost aspirations.

Birdsmash

A little research on your part would have yielded your answers based on previous months.

However, as of June 1, Southern falls under the same CBA Scheduling rules as Atlas. Atlas Planning thought they could just flip a switch and run Southern’s relatively simple and 99% scheduled DHL operation just like the rest of Atlas. As a result, June has been a complete CLUSTERF@&K for the Southern crews. No or incorrect travel, no hotel waiting after a long duty day due to the hotel not being booked on the correct day or for early checkin, pilots with high time lines having trips pulled away with no line guarantee, one open trip after another being posted, Southern flights being subbed out to Atlas, etc, etc.

To give you a simple answer there is currently no way to predict what you will credit on either fleet other than min guarantee.

To borrow a line from my buddy boeingdvr “Come on over and see for yourself”.

Elevation

I'm guilty of talking about Atlas stuff on Southern threads. It's an error of omission (joining the context of the discussion on the page) because I don't pay attention to the actual title of the thread.

Direct Law

I don’t get you guys. If you’re too “qualified” why come to Atlas/Southern. If a turboprop guy joins Atlas/Southern beware of the pink slip or washing out because you can’t manage the high density atc in Hong Kong or LAX and Birdsmash will fail you. Is their another agenda here like guys please don’t join till we get our contract in place that I understand but be honest about it.

boeingdvr

62 hours baby

boeingdvr

767. You will never break 62 hours. Why ?

- senior pilots bid RSV for 80 hours.
- junior pilots think RSV is a dirty word, so they bid a line. “Sweet, I got a line honey” 2nd choice. As the month wears on you realize why you got this “hot chick”. You’re the one getting &$@“).
-over and over again. Call out sick 62 hours, vacation 62 hours.
-OT- no soup for you, it’s seniority based. We have over 300 FO’s on the 767.

747- sure you may break 62 on occasion- but you will need it, those girls in Asia will not keep you honest, and the wifey back home in Roanoke VA will take 1/2 your ****.

Then again, don’t take my word for it, come see for yourself- CALL HR TODAY.