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Originally Posted by Makinitup (Post 2826477)

No, ABX pilots struck immediately in response to managements actions, it wasn’t delayed in any way until the 4th quarter for a bigger impact.

Exactly! It was during the 4th qtr that management decided to violate 3 items of the contract during section 6 negotiations because they cannot figure out how to staff the airline...not a smart move. Since the court ordered them to stop and they paid the pilots hundreds of thousands to fix it...one would hope they learned something going forward....just saying.

The pilots of all the airlines that do the Amazon flying should organize together. Bezo’s is just going to bring down the industry pay if they don’t. More strength in numbers right?

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Originally Posted by Tango Uniform (Post 2826503)

The pilots of all the airlines that do the Amazon flying should organize together. Bezo’s is just going to bring down the industry pay if they don’t. More strength in numbers right?

They have...all 1224.

Reality:

Management = Winner
Labor = Loser

If you are the labor side of the equation it will be a Sisyphean task battling with management. Period. You will never prevail.

Atlas will delay the negotiating process into perpetuity. Any feigned attempt of cooperation is just a red herring to throw out a glimmer of hope that there will be agreement coming forthwith.

If you believe any of their obfuscation you're a fool.

That's the truth of the matter, sorry.

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2826509)

They have...all 1224.

And there-in lies the the problem.

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 2826509)

They have...all 1224.

Not all of them. One single pilot group at ALPA.

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Originally Posted by Reactivity (Post 2826159)

Periodic "negotiations", yes - both sides walk into a room, and nothing happens. Why does nothing happen? Because government, through the Railway Labor Act, has placed their finger on the scale in favor of management by prohibiting any self help (strikes or other job actions) until given explicit permission to do so by the National Mediation Board. When there is upward pressure on pay and benefits as is the case now, there is absolutely no incentive for management to give an inch until they are threatened with the prospect of the union being released by the NMB to self help, and that takes years.

You would think that the increasing instances of training no-shows, early dropouts, washouts, and high turnover as pilots leave for greener pastures would be an incentive to move, but so far, it hasn't been.

I think that passenger airlines, especially the bigger names, have an easier time of it because they can make a big show of their informational picketing - they get big news coverage, everybody recognizes the big names, and it's bad PR for the airline. Nobody has ever heard of Atlas (or any of the others), and nobody cares.

There has recently been a direct connection to Amazon as somebody asked Jeff Bezos about the situation, and his response indicated that he doesn't care - he told both sides to get it together, or he would move his business somewhere else.

Ask your Congressional representatives to fix the RLA - to take government's finger off of the scale and allow the market to work unimpeded.

Thank you for the helpful answer. Sounds like union reps do these periodic meetings for show for the pilots they represent more than anything else if the Railway Labor Act neuteres their ability to get much done. That’s a big shame.

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Originally Posted by ESQ702 (Post 2826900)

To be clear, the union is not there for show. There is significant effort being put into making the case for an ABX pilot contract. Management continues to hold to a proposal that essentially adds more concessions to those already given in negotiations ten years ago, simply because they can.

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Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2826706)

Not all of them. One single pilot group at ALPA.

They don't count...they proved to everyone they are not smart enough to see where this headed by accepting a contract for just a pay raise without fighting for what was available.

At least it's a start and they won't be getting paid complete **** while working on improving the rest of their contract