Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2839461)

What it requires is a change to how airline unions operate. A page could be taken from the steel workers union. It doesn’t matter which construction company gets the bid award to build a new bridge or building. They must hire union steel workers. The companies don’t dictate wages, the union does.

What we need is a single seniority list that is based upon your total years flying union 121, not years at company ABC. Your seniority and pay are totally portable. If company A is treating their pilots poorly, you go to Company B with your seniority and standard union benefits intact.
The companies can go bid for contracts to their hearts content, but like the steel industry, they pay union wages. There is no whipsaw since it’s one big pilot group.

The only way to implement it, since nobody currently working is going to let an Atlas guy come into K4 or OMNI and bid ahead of them is to build it with a fence. Anybody hired after a certain date goes onto the single list. Once the percentage is high enough of one listers working, the union gives every company the new base contract, benefits package and retirement package.

With the rapid turnover and hiring, this is actually a good time to work on this. 1224 should pick a date, about 4-5 years from now, and ensure no new CBA’s are signed with a duration beyond that date. It will put every 1224 into section six simultaneously.

Quietly be building the single list starting today for all new hires. Draft the 1224 CBA and just wait.

NFL and other sporting teams are unionized with an industry wide common CBA for everything except pay which fir them is performance related above a basic pay.

This takes the whipsaw off the table.

Just a random thought....

Originally Posted by Asiabound (Post 2839492)

I don't think the RLA will allow that. Steelworkers unions fall under the NLRB which is a bit different, and it's more than coincidence it's that way.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2839493)

Blame DW all you want but if Pilot Groups are threatening Union Leadership with violence to vote for the Retirement that they voted for then you can't blame 1224 Leadership. If the Pilot Groups that work for these ACMI Carriers all want to vote for a 5% 401k match on a 10% Personal contribution that's limited to $10,000, no daily trip rig, less than industry standard pay rates, 64 hour guarantees, and 26 hour work days then it sets the bar low for all the other carriers. If Atlas/Southern end up in front of an Arbitrator in the next 12 months there's nothing leadership can do.

The system was supposed to be that there'd be agreements that there was a floor that nobody would accept less than. You can do that without all being in the same Union if Pilot Groups would hold out for Industry Standard Contracts and Atlas/Southern wasn't getting Amalgamated.

Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2839493)

Blame DW all you want but if Pilot Groups are threatening Union Leadership with violence to vote for the Retirement that they voted for then you can't blame 1224 Leadership. If the Pilot Groups that work for these ACMI Carriers all want to vote for a 5% 401k match on a 10% Personal contribution that's limited to $10,000, no daily trip rig, less than industry standard pay rates, 64 hour guarantees, and 26 hour work days then it sets the bar low for all the other carriers. If Atlas/Southern end up in front of an Arbitrator in the next 12 months there's nothing leadership can do.

The system was supposed to be that there'd be agreements that there was a floor that nobody would accept less than. You can do that without all being in the same Union if Pilot Groups would hold out for Industry Standard Contracts and Atlas/Southern wasn't getting Amalgamated.

Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 2839649)

As usual you have no f'ing clue what you are talking about
Maybe you should review some old posts where it was explained to you
Especially about 1224 delaying our contract and the e board nearly voting it down

Like nl3 said dw's bs cost me 100k
How's that for retirement

Originally Posted by dwight3 (Post 2839653)

Yeah, he probably cost you 100k in the short term but could've made you 100's of thousands more in the long term but some people are just too short sighted.

Originally Posted by dwight3 (Post 2839653)

Yeah, he probably cost you 100k in the short term but could've made you 100's of thousands more in the long term but some people are just too short sighted.

Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2839683)

Originally Posted by Lockheed (Post 2839649)

As usual you have no f'ing clue what you are talking about
Maybe you should review some old posts where it was explained to you
Especially about 1224 delaying our contract and the e board nearly voting it down

Like nl3 said dw's bs cost me 100k
How's that for retirement

Originally Posted by No Land 3 (Post 2839683)