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#21
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For what it's worth:
“Quick, contact traffic control,” Cynthia urged.
"Better call ATC" [or "Better call Center"], Cynthia suggested.
Why is the female Cynthia and the guy Perez? As in the military, female pilots are often referred to and addressed by their last name, unless this is a romance novel or a script for a daytime drama (I'm serious), in which the female would indeed be referred to by her first name.
Perez flipped a switch.
Perez keyed the microphone.
“Cleveland Centre, LASS two niner seven eight heavy. Declaring Pan Pan Pan. Suspected explosive on board. Unable to land at Dulles,” Captain Perez said.
"Cleveland Center, LASS 2978."
"LASS 2978, Cleveland Center."
"Center, we're declaring an emergency. Apparently have an explosive on board. Need vectors towards an unpopulated area." [It's clunky to have all this s-p-e-l-l-i-n-g out the numbers, and do we have to have a nine in the number so the pilot can say "niner"? It's all unnecessary. If I were your editor, I would say change the flight number and put the number in as a number.]
“LASS two niner seven eight heavy, Cleveland Centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“We can head for the Allegheny National Forest, which should be about twenty minutes if we come right to 085,” Cynthia told Perez.
“LASS two niner seven eight heavy, Cleveland Centre. Do you have an aircraft handling situation?”
Delete this.
Captain Perez keyed the mic again. “Cleveland Centre, LASS 2978. We believe the device is nuclear, and we're gonna turn right to heading 085 and proceed towards the Allegheny Forest area. We want to minimize potential civilian casualties,” he announced.
“LASS 2978, Cleveland Center. Stand by.”
“What the hell is going on?” Captain Perez asked Cynthia as he started his right turn.
I don't know which way they're going, so I don't know whether 085 is to the left or right. I chose right. As noted above, if you have a bomb onboard that apparently you expect to detonate soon, you're going to tell ATC what you're doing, and they can/will clear the traffic for you.
“Quick, contact traffic control,” Cynthia urged.
"Better call ATC" [or "Better call Center"], Cynthia suggested.
Why is the female Cynthia and the guy Perez? As in the military, female pilots are often referred to and addressed by their last name, unless this is a romance novel or a script for a daytime drama (I'm serious), in which the female would indeed be referred to by her first name.
Perez flipped a switch.
Perez keyed the microphone.
“Cleveland Centre, LASS two niner seven eight heavy. Declaring Pan Pan Pan. Suspected explosive on board. Unable to land at Dulles,” Captain Perez said.
"Cleveland Center, LASS 2978."
"LASS 2978, Cleveland Center."
"Center, we're declaring an emergency. Apparently have an explosive on board. Need vectors towards an unpopulated area." [It's clunky to have all this s-p-e-l-l-i-n-g out the numbers, and do we have to have a nine in the number so the pilot can say "niner"? It's all unnecessary. If I were your editor, I would say change the flight number and put the number in as a number.]
“LASS two niner seven eight heavy, Cleveland Centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“We can head for the Allegheny National Forest, which should be about twenty minutes if we come right to 085,” Cynthia told Perez.
“LASS two niner seven eight heavy, Cleveland Centre. Do you have an aircraft handling situation?”
Delete this.
Captain Perez keyed the mic again. “Cleveland Centre, LASS 2978. We believe the device is nuclear, and we're gonna turn right to heading 085 and proceed towards the Allegheny Forest area. We want to minimize potential civilian casualties,” he announced.
“LASS 2978, Cleveland Center. Stand by.”
“What the hell is going on?” Captain Perez asked Cynthia as he started his right turn.
I don't know which way they're going, so I don't know whether 085 is to the left or right. I chose right. As noted above, if you have a bomb onboard that apparently you expect to detonate soon, you're going to tell ATC what you're doing, and they can/will clear the traffic for you.
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#22
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#24
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Different pilots with different backgrounds would handle this situation differently. The specific terminology is discussed in some detail above. The courses of action taken depend a lot on the personalities of the characters you're trying to depict.
Those of us with experience in stranger parts of the industry can probably attest to the general levels of confusion and miscommunication that happen during the initial moments of a crisis.
So an experienced crew may spend a small but prudent amount of time establishing the facts so they can take the best course of action. The bomb or whatever isn't detonating immediately, so there'd be time to steer to an unpopulated area (probably not the allegheny national forest). There'd be time to coordinate with experts via phone-patch or direct satphone connection, get details of triggering, etc. There would also be a flood of extraneous communications occuring as airplanes get switched to discrete frequencies, ATC establishes fuel and souls on board, etc. So confusion rather order prevails in crisis. If you want to depict effective leadership, your crew will forge a semblance of order during this moment of devolving chaos.
With regard to some technical details, there are altitudes to optimize and minimize the effect of an air-burst, and consideration would be given to be at altitude high enough to avoid raising large amounts of debris into the atmosphere (which drastically affect the amount of radioactive fallout downwind).
It'd be believable and laudable to take an initial course to a place that you might think would be best to have some kind of event, but there'd be coorindation and a number of technical decisions occuring during this whole process.
There'd probably be a re-allocation of duties while the captain coordinated with company and experts. The first officer would probably take over control of the aircraft and ATC, etc.
Regarding jargon, there are a lot of ways these things can go down. You wouldn't be wrong ensuring everyone uses correct phraseology and even appropriate brevity. You wouldn't be wrong having things revert to plain-language or a mix thereof.
I'd focus on realism of the decisions and actions rather than the jargon. My two cents.
Those of us with experience in stranger parts of the industry can probably attest to the general levels of confusion and miscommunication that happen during the initial moments of a crisis.
So an experienced crew may spend a small but prudent amount of time establishing the facts so they can take the best course of action. The bomb or whatever isn't detonating immediately, so there'd be time to steer to an unpopulated area (probably not the allegheny national forest). There'd be time to coordinate with experts via phone-patch or direct satphone connection, get details of triggering, etc. There would also be a flood of extraneous communications occuring as airplanes get switched to discrete frequencies, ATC establishes fuel and souls on board, etc. So confusion rather order prevails in crisis. If you want to depict effective leadership, your crew will forge a semblance of order during this moment of devolving chaos.
With regard to some technical details, there are altitudes to optimize and minimize the effect of an air-burst, and consideration would be given to be at altitude high enough to avoid raising large amounts of debris into the atmosphere (which drastically affect the amount of radioactive fallout downwind).
It'd be believable and laudable to take an initial course to a place that you might think would be best to have some kind of event, but there'd be coorindation and a number of technical decisions occuring during this whole process.
There'd probably be a re-allocation of duties while the captain coordinated with company and experts. The first officer would probably take over control of the aircraft and ATC, etc.
Regarding jargon, there are a lot of ways these things can go down. You wouldn't be wrong ensuring everyone uses correct phraseology and even appropriate brevity. You wouldn't be wrong having things revert to plain-language or a mix thereof.
I'd focus on realism of the decisions and actions rather than the jargon. My two cents.
#25
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 150
Not today isis....
“quick, contact traffic control,” cynthia urged.
Perez flipped a switch.
“cleveland centre, lass two niner seven eight heavy. Declaring pan pan pan. Suspected explosive on board. Unable to land at dulles,” captain perez said.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“we can head for the allegheny national forest, it’s about twenty minutes flight time on heading 085,” cynthia told perez.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Do you have an aircraft handling situation?”
“cleveland centre, lass two niner seven eight heavy. Negative. Device is nuclear. Request routing to allegheny forest area. We want to minimize civilian casualties,” captain perez suggested.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“what the hell is going on?” captain perez asked cynthia.
Perez flipped a switch.
“cleveland centre, lass two niner seven eight heavy. Declaring pan pan pan. Suspected explosive on board. Unable to land at dulles,” captain perez said.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“we can head for the allegheny national forest, it’s about twenty minutes flight time on heading 085,” cynthia told perez.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Do you have an aircraft handling situation?”
“cleveland centre, lass two niner seven eight heavy. Negative. Device is nuclear. Request routing to allegheny forest area. We want to minimize civilian casualties,” captain perez suggested.
“lass two niner seven eight heavy, cleveland centre. Roger. Stand by.”
“what the hell is going on?” captain perez asked cynthia.
#26
Hello,
My name is Peter Freeman. I'm a published author ("Cape Horn Birthday") available on Amazon and through Seaworthy Publications Inc. at https://www.seaworthy.com/product-p/...48494-04-5.htm
I am preparing my latest fiction novel with a working title of "Deadly Delivery" for publication. As I am not a pilot, I want to ensure my descriptions, radio communications, and procedures are correct.
Some months ago, I elicited help from members of this forum on various details, however now that my manuscript is finished, I would like to work with a pilot who has experience flying commercial jet aircraft to confirm a particular section in my manuscript related to aircraft procedures. As a basis, I would like to ensure the communications exchange between the pilot in the story and ground control is accurate. My story involves a McDonnell-Douglas MD-11F so expertise with this particular aircraft would be a bonus.
My story also involves freight handling (ULDs) on the ground, so procedures related to cargo handling would be a bonus, however it may be out of scope for this pilot's forum.
If you have an interest in helping me, could you reply on this thread, or contact me directly by email: petersfreeman (the domain is shaw dot ca)
Thank you in advance,
Peter.
My name is Peter Freeman. I'm a published author ("Cape Horn Birthday") available on Amazon and through Seaworthy Publications Inc. at https://www.seaworthy.com/product-p/...48494-04-5.htm
I am preparing my latest fiction novel with a working title of "Deadly Delivery" for publication. As I am not a pilot, I want to ensure my descriptions, radio communications, and procedures are correct.
Some months ago, I elicited help from members of this forum on various details, however now that my manuscript is finished, I would like to work with a pilot who has experience flying commercial jet aircraft to confirm a particular section in my manuscript related to aircraft procedures. As a basis, I would like to ensure the communications exchange between the pilot in the story and ground control is accurate. My story involves a McDonnell-Douglas MD-11F so expertise with this particular aircraft would be a bonus.
My story also involves freight handling (ULDs) on the ground, so procedures related to cargo handling would be a bonus, however it may be out of scope for this pilot's forum.
If you have an interest in helping me, could you reply on this thread, or contact me directly by email: petersfreeman (the domain is shaw dot ca)
Thank you in advance,
Peter.
Teaching people to sound like a legitimate pilot on the radio isn’t really necessary for a great book or movie. In fact, some of the lingo would likely confuse the non aviation public.
Company and Security procedures, really shouldn’t be out in public in most cases, and I definitely don’t want to see an accurate book or movie detailing what actually happens. That just educates the enemy.
Nothing like telling Tehran how to get their suitcase bomb into cargo and into the US and then avoid the likely interdiction efforts.
#27
Generic radio procedures are not SSI, and are available in open source FAA docs (Ie the AIM). You can also use a cheap handheld radio to monitor ATC comms to get a feel for routine stuff.
But I would caution anyone who's going to get involved to not cross the line with SSI, which any company info probably would be. Also recall TSA restrictions on providing certain types of instruction (including ground training).
But I would caution anyone who's going to get involved to not cross the line with SSI, which any company info probably would be. Also recall TSA restrictions on providing certain types of instruction (including ground training).
#28
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There’s “the book” and there’s reality. I’ve spent the last 15 years flying through and within every continent north of the equator and occasionally venturing into the southern latitudes on my way to Australia. Maybe you can back this statement with a reference in some manual but I can tell you definitively that it doesn’t happen in practice. Canada is the exception, not the rule, at least where I’ve been flying.
Finally, the guy writing the book is having his pilot talk to Cleveland center. So why would you confuse the discussion when the scenario is in fact “enroute in the US” where you already stated “heavy” is not used?
Finally, the guy writing the book is having his pilot talk to Cleveland center. So why would you confuse the discussion when the scenario is in fact “enroute in the US” where you already stated “heavy” is not used?
I’ve never heard the term ‘heavy’ in Europe. (‘Super’ on the other hand is common).
It seems to be airline specific, for example Atlas, Omni and few other US based airlines use the term most of the time..
Not saying they’re right or wrong, just stating the facts..
Good luck with your book Peter!
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