I wonder if there is a significant lawsuit threat if "seniority" was to be excepted for the oldtimers wanting to return. Is this position not contrary to what the FAA has indicated would be their position? Also, is this opinion our MEC's alone or is this the ALPA national opinion also.. i.e. that the 60 - 65 year olds are to be allowed to bid back to the left seat?
I have to admit this has got the potential to be a major bombshell here.. I don't agree with it and i am one of those that it will not affect much.

All of you with concerns/questions, please feel free to contact your friendly SPC Chairman. Phone number is available on the website or from the 866-FDX-ALPA number. Oh, Albie has it also. Cheers.

That's it. We can **** and moan all day here, but call your Reps. If you think it's BS, tell them. I just reread Webb's letter and the part that really stings is where he alludes to guys being able to bid back to the left seat once they have already left. This has a huge potential to fracture the solidarity that we have. Without that, we are screwed in everything else that comes down the pipe.

Haz

What happened to age 60 being in our contract and having to be renegotiated here regardless of the FAA policy change? Especially the part about those already over 60? I will gladly contribute to and do whatever needs to be done to recall Dave Webb and anyone else if they insist on ignoring all pilots under age 60 when the age change comes. At the very least he better allow a vote on the issue to see how the members feel. When you consider how many non members are over 60 and in the back seat it makes me even angrier! Quitting the union isn't the answer. Demanding the majority be heard is. This is total BS and needs to be addressed now. MEC members and Reps need to be contacted demanding a vote be put out before such a huge change is made or we need to recall the whole bunch of them.

I don't normally do this, but this is important so the SPC Chairman told me to pass this on. So here it is, call him at 901-338-1974 and he'll talk til he passes out from exhaustion.

Oh, if you've expressed an opinion one way or the other on here, I expect you to call me and let me know who your screen name is so I can try to answer your concerns. If you don't call, I'll let Albie know.

I emailed my block rep and the MEC board - which included Dave......looking forward to their response.

Say NO to over 60 guys retraining in the front seat - they had their time.

I find it hard to understand what you guys don't understand. The guys that went back to the S/O seat never left, never lost their seniority rights because they turned age 60. They moved to a lower position due to the fact that FAA regulations did not permit them to keep the left or right seat. If any of you younger guys ever had a medical issue that caused the FAA to restrict you to the S/O seat do you think you should have the right to return to the left or right seat if that restriction is lifted?

The bottom line is that the guys that went back to the S/O seat never gave up their seniority. Now if you guys want to give up on the seniority system go for it. We could work on upgrades by lottery, or a rotating seniority system where you rise to number one for one month and then you drop to the bottom of the list to start working your way back up the list one month at a time. We could call it "shared seniority":rolleyes:

guys...ease up..like i said before i have heard from a few people that attended the ARAC meetings...the ATA does not want this...over 60 guys will not be allowed to bid back...but if they want to spend their golden years in a 727 at 3am pouring coffee..so be it!

Soo..... giving up on it is bad. But modifying it so you get a windfall is ok?

I love the seniority system - you know, the old one, the one where guys got out at sixty.

p.s.:

Here's a future poll question, say about 2017:

We know that the membership wants to protect the benefits of our retirees - 52% of you said this in our Wilson poll. But if the company says that benefit reductions for retirees are inevitable, should ALPA be involved in the process or not?

Sorry Mark, but one senior official is reported to have said that FedEx intends to return any S/O to their former position when the regulated age changes if the has been out of the front seat for less than 24 months.