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Daniel Larusso 05-06-2007 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter (Post 161120)
Wrong, 30 days. Do you really thnk that thew FAA is not prepared for this change by Congress when the fact is that the FAA has been working with Congress? Do you really think that airline companies are not prepared? Do you not think the big bid this spring was delayed because FedEx knows what is coming?

I also was at a union meeting where the issue was addressed. I thought the answer by the leadership was less than candid if they really knew what was going on. The NPRM could be fast tracked and be effective by the end of the year. If Congress passes the change there will be no NPRM. In the event that Congress make it a law the rule will change no later than 30 days after it is signed by the President.

Having worked for several airlines, I wouldn't be the slightest bid surprised that they are not ready for this thing. Historically they have never been able to accurately predict hiring or pricing during the more normal times, but now all of sudden these same yahoos are tip-top and prepared? Ok. I am simply repeating what the union has said to date and the potential ramifications if this thing is approved first by Congress vs. the FAA which is not a done deal regardless of how many prognostications any of us make. What you are dealing in is speculation spiced with advantageous facts and more importantly want. I could re-write my post based on what I want and pick a few convenient facts/theorems too if you'd like. Standing by for more shouting from you and Clemente.

FoxHunter 05-06-2007 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso (Post 161178)
Having worked for several airlines, I wouldn't be the slightest bid surprised that they are not ready for this thing. Historically they have never been able to accurately predict hiring or pricing during the more normal times, but now all of sudden these same yahoos are tip-top and prepared? Ok. I am simply repeating what the union has said to date and the potential ramifications if this thing is approved first by Congress vs. the FAA which is not a done deal regardless of how many prognostications any of us make. What you are dealing in is speculation spiced with advantageous facts and more importantly want. I could re-write my post based on what I want and pick a few convenient facts/theorems too if you'd like. Standing by for more shouting from you and Clemente.

The S.65 language is now included in the FAA Reauthorization Bill. It has not been attached, nor an amendment, it is part of the Bill. I believe you will find that ALPA, and FedEx are both expecting it to pass, hence the action or inaction of both parties

fdx727pilot 05-06-2007 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 161173)
Read as: ANY S/O POSITION his seniority can hold.

Mark

Actually, the contract never references age 60 in non-front seater context. Only regulated age is mentioned. Sounds like the regulated age is about to be 65. Suck it up, Mark.

jdec141 05-06-2007 11:04 AM

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GOFRTRS 05-06-2007 11:35 AM

Let's all sign a piece of paper that states as a FEDEX pilot I agree to retire at 60. Make it legally binding. We all keep our word & this will end all the bickering, finger pointing, & everything else I've read on this post. Age 60 is going away. What form it will take has yet to be determined. Hard feelings & resentment to someone who is senior to you won't fix anything.

capt_zman 05-06-2007 11:48 AM

I don't think there's hard feelings and resentment towards the people who are senior, as that's a way of life in an airline job. I think the hard feelings and resentment stem from the union making a decision/resolution without the majority supporting it. Posting results from some bogus poll, where ALL of the union members did not get to vote is crap.

There is a significant amount of negative sentiment regarding our MEC in the crewforce right now and this is just another log on the fire.

R1200RT 05-06-2007 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter (Post 161167)
The FedEx contract says about the same thing. The age 60 S/O have not lost their seniority number and bids are awarded on the basis of System Seniority. There is also a provision to bid to relieve an excess. Since the DC10 is going away any senior S/O can go any to any position his seniority can hold.


Tick Tock, Tick Tock, I'll bet you a dollar you don't make it. I know it will drive you crazy just missing a 5 year extention.

Good luck short timer! ;)

CaptainMark 05-06-2007 01:07 PM

hey foxhunter...i hope this link helps.......bye bye!

http://www.paulsrun.org/

FoxHunter 05-06-2007 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by R1200RT (Post 161243)
Tick Tock, Tick Tock, I'll bet you a dollar you don't make it. I know it will drive you crazy just missing a 5 year extention.

Good luck short timer! ;)

Sorry, you lost! :D :p

RedeyeAV8r 05-06-2007 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 161173)
Read as: ANY S/O POSITION his seniority can hold.

Mark

Correct..........until Congress changes the Law.


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