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Tango Uniform 11-05-2021 05:24 AM

Who does everybody think AMZ is going to buy outright to get a 121 certificate? It not a question of if but when? Instant aircraft and aircrews. Fred has contracted drivers and unionized aircrews. UPS Evergreen, Ryan, Orion to fly UPS owned aircraft until 1988. AMZ already owns stakes in the ACMI's they use. Who gets dumped and who gets bought?

nitefr8dog 11-05-2021 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by Tango Uniform (Post 3318776)
Who does everybody think AMZ is going to buy outright to get a 121 certificate? It not a question of if but when? Instant aircraft and aircrews. Fred has contracted drivers and unionized aircrews. UPS Evergreen, Ryan, Orion to fly UPS owned aircraft until 1988. AMZ already owns stakes in the ACMI's they use. Who gets dumped and who gets bought?

Not going to happen....AZ is happy using the DHL model of using contractor's. Straight low ball whipsaw bidding. AZ does not have to take on unions, contract negotiations, inherit retirement plans etc...never happen.

Lex11incheSteel 11-05-2021 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3318779)
Not going to happen....AZ is happy using the DHL model of using contractor's. Straight low ball whipsaw bidding. AZ does not have to take on unions, contract negotiations, inherit retirement plans etc...never happen.

Then they shall find themselves with their pants down with no pilots flying their 40 year old airplanes.

hercretired 11-05-2021 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Tango Uniform (Post 3318776)
Who does everybody think AMZ is going to buy outright to get a 121 certificate? It not a question of if but when? Instant aircraft and aircrews. Fred has contracted drivers and unionized aircrews. UPS Evergreen, Ryan, Orion to fly UPS owned aircraft until 1988. AMZ already owns stakes in the ACMI's they use. Who gets dumped and who gets bought?

all their Amazon vans are third party contractors. They seem to like the contractor model

nitefr8dog 11-05-2021 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Lex11incheSteel (Post 3318786)
Then they shall find themselves with their pants down with no pilots flying their 40 year old airplanes.

Won't happen...always someone just starting out with low time to fill the seat.

Tango Uniform 11-05-2021 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3318795)
all their Amazon vans are third party contractors. They seem to like the contractor model

FDX does the same thing. Only union shops are Aircrews and Maintenance I believe.

UPS used that model 6 or 7 years using contracted aircrews. Didn’t they run into problems scheduling because certain aircraft could only fly with certain carriers. I recall hearing something like that. I feel if AMZ is buying their own aircraft, there is a plan to become a 121 carrier. This peak is going to be a huge test for their current network.

Riverside 11-05-2021 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3317062)
And that's all you've got! Weak!

-1 points for originality

skypilot35 11-05-2021 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3318860)
Won't happen...always someone just starting out with low time to fill the seat.

Tell that to the regionals who are offering 100's of thousands of dollars to get those low time pilots. The landscape has changed significantly over the past 10 years. The whipsaw model is no longer viable. The majors are hiring like never before. The pandemic only served to accelerate the pilot shortage. We have long time captains leaving my airline to go to the majors. The low balling strategy of the past will not work.

nitefr8dog 11-05-2021 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 3318889)
-1 points for originality

You are repeating yourself......old man.
You have no originality. Drink some prune juice and take a nap.

Riverside 11-05-2021 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3318896)
You are repeating yourself......old man.
You have no originality. Drink some prune juice and take a nap.


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3317062)
And that's all you've got! Weak!

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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3315352)
That's all you got? Did it work on yours?

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-2 points for originality


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