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tnkrdrvr 10-14-2021 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by OttoPilotOn (Post 3308717)
Amazon reportedly looking at purchasing 777s and A330s

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3752524-amazon-reportedly-in-the-market-for-long-range-cargo-jets?utm_campaign=rta-stock-news&utm_content=link-3&utm_medium=email&utm_source=seeking_alpha&utm_te rm=RTA+News+Smart&fbclid=IwAR3Qp0tOPQULfbIb2Rd_rZ_ gZxNmy8sEtPM01KkTI9aZKbgzo9JgJieyCiA

Plemty of pilots suffering from shiny jet syndrome will line up to fly them for turboprop wages.

nitefr8dog 10-15-2021 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3309068)
Plemty of pilots suffering from shiny jet syndrome will line up to fly them for turboprop wages.

Can you say...ATI

itsjustajob 10-16-2021 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3309819)
Can you say...ATI

Where are they going to fly, Domestic?

Without routes or slot authority they can't fly anywhere other than domestic routes.

Even Kalitta is limited to sub-service flying for other carriers.

https://www.iata.org/en/policy/slots/

sky jet 10-16-2021 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by itsjustajob (Post 3310200)
Where are they going to fly, Domestic?

Without routes or slot authority they can't fly anywhere other than domestic routes.

Even Kalitta is limited to sub-service flying for other carriers.

https://www.iata.org/en/policy/slots/

Kalitta Air has routes that we fly on our own. We were even involved in a lawsuit in AMS over slot distribution a while back.

nitefr8dog 10-16-2021 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by itsjustajob (Post 3310200)
Where are they going to fly, Domestic?

Without routes or slot authority they can't fly anywhere other than domestic routes.

Even Kalitta is limited to sub-service flying for other carriers.

https://www.iata.org/en/policy/slots/

And with all the Airlines realigning because of Covid.....probably quite a few slots available. Be a good time to grab some.

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Cujo665 10-17-2021 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3309819)
Can you say...ATI

What's with the sister company hatred from you all the time?

The fact is your CBA and theirs are about the same cost wise. ATSG is giving you the same pie to cut as you wish. They prioritized quality of life (home basing and hotels as soon as they leave home, real tickets and air miles), you guys prioritized bucks (slightly higher rates, much better retirement package)
In the end it's costing ATSG about the same.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

nitefr8dog 10-17-2021 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3310531)
What's with the sister company hatred from you all the time?

The fact is your CBA and theirs are about the same cost wise. ATSG is giving you the same pie to cut as you wish. They prioritized quality of life (home basing and hotels as soon as they leave home, real tickets and air miles), you guys prioritized bucks (slightly higher rates, much better retirement package)
In the end it's costing ATSG about the same.

A rising tide lifts all boats.

ABX didn't sign a horible contract to get ALL the promised flying if they did from the sister companies. They also did not agree to NOT negotiate a new contract for 2 years and pay raise for Captains only in exchange for additional aircraft which were supposed to come from ABX stock. ABX would not give up the aircraft with scope protection....management got ****ed off and violated the contract. We struck We tried to convinceATI to negotiatefor better retirement, better disability, schedule protection etc. They wanted to capture all the flying as promised if they agreed to a money only contract.. Learn the facts before you post.

boxthrower 10-17-2021 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by nitefr8dog (Post 3310581)
ABX didn't sign a horible contract to get ALL the promised flying if they did from the sister companies. They also did not agree to NOT negotiate a new contract for 2 years and pay raise for Captains only in exchange for additional aircraft which were supposed to come from ABX stock. ABX would not give up the aircraft with scope protection....management got ****ed off and violated the contract. We struck We tried to convinceATI to negotiatefor better retirement, better disability, schedule protection etc. They wanted to capture all the flying as promised if they agreed to a money only contract.. Learn the facts before you post.

And what did that get them? A company that has grown to more than twice the size of sister ABX with a reliability record that is unmatched in the Amazon network. With a bigger pilot group comes more negotiating power for the union. If the company wants to continue to grow or even stay the same size they’ll have to agree to a better contract. Sometimes you have to play the long game to get what you really want.

Jurassic Jet 10-17-2021 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by boxthrower (Post 3310591)
With a bigger pilot group comes more negotiating power for the union. If the company wants to continue to grow or even stay the same size they’ll have to agree to a better contract. Sometimes you have to play the long game to get what you really want.

Ahhhh…..young Grasshopper….you make me laugh with your naivety of how ATSG management works. Let me know how it works out for you.

#notonedimemore

nitefr8dog 10-17-2021 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by boxthrower (Post 3310591)
And what did that get them? A company that has grown to more than twice the size of sister ABX with a reliability record that is unmatched in the Amazon network. With a bigger pilot group comes more negotiating power for the union. If the company wants to continue to grow or even stay the same size they’ll have to agree to a better contract. Sometimes you have to play the long game to get what you really want.

Did you read the post? The airplanes JH promised to ATI were initially supposed to come from ABX. ABX scope prevented that....have some hair on ur a$$ and fight for our contract or stand with ur pants around ur ankles? Either way we would lose aircraft. What ABX never did was sign a deal to pull aircraft and flying from a sister company. ATI's isldea of "playing the long game" was to f#@k ABX by agreeing to delay negotiations for 2 yrs with a Captains only pay raise in exchange for ABX aircraft. As far as ATI's " unmatched reliability" that's not what Amazon reports to ATSG.


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