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anthony210 05-15-2023 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by PurringRaccoon (Post 3636665)
Currently flying at Amerijet - we are mostly happy with the new TA. This will be an immense improvement over what we currently have. I think this place will now become a very competitive ACMI among our peers.
Few key points -

10% 401k direct contribution
74 hour guarantee and 13 pay rosters. For example, our 3rd year captain pay will be 224 x 74 x 13 = $215k. And this is minimum guarantee.
And we are currently desperate for CAs - hiring DEC and upgrade available as soon as you have 1000 qualifying hours.
Home basing
Contract up for negotiation after 3 years.

However - what we have is a new TA, not new management. What has plagued us in the past will still remain. Excited to see what is to come, but with careful reservations.

with the guarantee at 74 and 13 pay periods this might actually be higher pay than other ACMIs. At least at minimum. 10% DC is better than any ACMI. Wonder what the work rules are.

I think it’s a decent deal. But I don’t work there!

Cujo665 05-15-2023 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUto64 (Post 3636165)
K4 is a single pay scale for all fleets. That’s just the 767 pay scale at 74 hrs per roster and 13 rosters per year. It’s not a world beater but it’s a big jump from where it was. There’s a 777 scale built in as well. Those CA rates are all currently higher than the rates listed on this site for K4.

Don't know what's listed, but the Omni/K4 scale topped at $297 back in the 2018 CBA. The recent K4 short term CBA added onto that, so I'd say it's above these new ones.
The question then becomes how many pay periods at K4? Omni is 12 and at a 64 hour guarantee. So, if you do the math, these new CBA rates at Amerijet actually beat the current 5 year old Omni rates.
AJ top CA base pay $289.6k and Omni top CA base pay $228.1k yearly. With a 10% DC, that's a pretty big difference.

Work rules need to be looked at too.
Are there any trip rigs or duty rigs?
Do you get business or better on international dead heads over hours?
Line bidding or more of a PBS thing?
Are lines just reserve lines? how soon does the flying show up on the schedule
Is it true home basing where day 1 and day 16 are the travel days to/from work?
with 13 bid periods, how many days off per bid period, and what does it total annually, compared to 16 on and 14/15 off each month?
keep hotel points and air miles?
part 117 rest rules or 121?
what benefits are provided at what cost (Omni has several, I've got the buy-up family plan, vision, dental, life insurance on me, wife and kids; long term disability provided by company... few other odds and ends and pay $720 total a month for it all).
Your new 10% 401k DC is a big step ahead over ours. Still less than LCC's but a welcome first step.
What's the new per diem rates?

Overall, I think you raised the bar compensation wise for sure. Well done !

When I first looked at just the rates, it looked like it didn't really raise the bar. However, once you look at the 74 guarantee over 13 bid periods plus a 10% direct contribution it turns out to be a decent improvement after all.

So, what are the typical schedules like for you guys? Mostly domestic, mostly international? most common destinations? How long are the average layovers? Ours tend to be how many days, not how many hours. flying 40 hours in a month (not including DH) would be a busy month here.

Swakid8 05-15-2023 06:06 PM

Hell yeah guys, Nice job on the MMG and DC improvement. That raised the bar at the ACMI level base compensation-wise. I'll be curious about the work rules as well... But hey, nice job.

C17B74 05-18-2023 03:39 PM

Excellent, definitely some areas that others may have to capitalize on in order to keep up. Raising the bar is always a good thing for everyone contract wise - well done!

JohnBurke 05-19-2023 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3636161)
good improvement, but still less than K4 and Omni’s old contracts. That didn’t really raise the bar.

Comments such as this disappoint. Setting aside the fact that you don't work for Amerijet, you strike me as someone who, when spoon-fed, complains that the spoon isn't real silver. Well, God damn.

Whether Amerijet has received an industry-altering contract or not is irrelevant: what the numbers floated here do represent is a very significant change from where Amerijet was. You cite Kalitta and Omni: the employees at Amerijet don't work for Omni. They don't work for Kalitta. A five-year captain at Amerijet makes 162/hr, but under the new agreement, should it become the new contract, that same captain will make 240/hr. At the present 60 hour guarantee, that's a difference of 4,680 monthly, up from 9,720/mo. to 14,400. That's a 48% increase in pay minimum. However, if the minimum guarantee has been raised from 60 hours to 74 hours, then it represents a nearly 83% increase in base pay, to 17,760/mo.

While quick to dismiss what's offered as new numbers as failing to "raise the bar," it raises the bar for Amerijet by a substantial amount. Those negotiating the change do NOT have an obligation to set a new industry standard. No doubt, they would like to, and no doubt anyone on the labor side would certainly like to see them do so. Raising the bar is more than setting a contract rate at a dollar more than your own vested interest. Raising the wage of the employees at Amerijet is raising the bar. Maybe not your bar, but then you don't work there. If these numbers are correct, and if the pilot body at Amerijet votes for them, Then that's their call, not yours, and they are to be congratulated in their success.

A pilot group which seeks, and obtains a significant gain their circumstance has indeed seen success in their effort, and has made a gain: it's a win for them. That you dismiss is as failing to "raise the bar" or to set a new standard, does not diminish the success of those negotiating at Amerijet. Should the pilots of Amerijet find this gain insufficient and should they reject the reported numbers, that's their call.

TransWorld 05-19-2023 06:45 PM

Well said, John!

juliettangofly 05-20-2023 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3638927)
Well said, John!

Honestly with this contract Amerijet will be a good place to go. Better QOL than Atlas or Kalitta. Home more often and get paid the same

tallpilot 05-21-2023 06:24 AM

It should also be mentioned that with pattern bargaining eliminating the low outlier (especially if it's very low) can be more important for other's negotiations than increasing the high outlier by a few points.

This agreement is excellent for Amerijet pilots and good for the industry overall. Especially ACMI which is lagging behind.

Cujo665 05-21-2023 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3638881)
Comments such as this disappoint. .....


Kinda like saying you posted without reading the whole thread first....

I did subsequently post that upon closer inspection is was actually a good deal, raising the bar not just for AmeriJet pilots, but for all ACMI. The rising tide lifts all boats.

It's okay, I like and agree with most of your posts. There is no edit function after 45 minutes. Helps to read the whole thread, then go back and post.

I've done it too. no harm

nitefr8dog 05-22-2023 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurringRaccoon (Post 3636665)
Currently flying at Amerijet - we are mostly happy with the new TA. This will be an immense improvement over what we currently have. I think this place will now become a very competitive ACMI among our peers.
Few key points -

10% 401k direct contribution
74 hour guarantee and 13 pay rosters. For example, our 3rd year captain pay will be 224 x 74 x 13 = $215k. And this is minimum guarantee.
And we are currently desperate for CAs - hiring DEC and upgrade available as soon as you have 1000 qualifying hours.
Home basing
Contract up for negotiation after 3 years.

However - what we have is a new TA, not new management. What has plagued us in the past will still remain. Excited to see what is to come, but with careful reservations.

I thought I saw 12 days off per month and 10% 401k match in 2 yrs, dos+2 is that correct?


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