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Old 07-25-2007, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by a300fr8dog View Post
The other thing not mentioned much is the requirement to train each pilot for the theater of operations he is to work in.

One month non-vol STV? When will that guy get the "SIBA" type training that guys doing SIBA now get? (isn't that a 1day gs plus a LOFT?). How does that fit into the equation?

Cluster frick is an understatement! We should just start calling this what it is: a RUSHED attempt to put SOMETHING in place without the effort to work out, or think out the kinks.

SWISS CHEESE anyone?
I suspect it will be incorporated into recurrent training
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And, then they get to do their little tap dance in front of their ACP.

Not a good plan. Too many hostages.
I am not encouraging a sick out situation. I am just considering everyday situations. People do get sick. I am just asking, how will it be handled?

My whole point here is that there is very little detail being given as to how STV or FDA assignments will be handled. Some of it does not fit in a cookie cutter way into our current CBA or the FDA.


I believe that this has been poorly planned out, poorly explained, and poorly conveyed from both the company (who I put my future trust in as far as how they do business, and the union who I pay 1.95 % of my pay to cover my a$$). WTF
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I suspect it will be incorporated into recurrent training
it would be nice to have an LOA that you didn't have to expect, assume, hope, plead, guess, or beg. But none of the MEC members have a big enough set to admit they screwed up.
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The union is doing a lot of assuming and trusting with this LOA. I agree, we need to assume the worst with this LOA and fix it now, not after they have it filled with junior pilots.
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it would be nice to have an LOA that you didn't have to expect, assume, hope, plead, guess, or beg. But none of the MEC members have a big enough set to admit they screwed up.
I agree that every question isn't answered. But this LOA doesn't rewrite or Modify
Section 4 , 12 and 25 of the contract. Those sections still apply. So yes I assume much because they still must abide by the Contract.
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver View Post
The union is doing a lot of assuming and trusting with this LOA. I agree, we need to assume the worst with this LOA and fix it now, not after they have it filled with junior pilots.

Well if the LOA fails the likehood of more Jr Pilots filling it increases do you agree?
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The company offered us this LOA because they don't want to junior man our intl flying. If they hire right off the street to do this we still move up on the seniority list, just like we did when they hired purple nuggets in ANC.
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r View Post
I agree that every question isn't answered. But this LOA doesn't rewrite or Modify
Section 4 , 12 and 25 of the contract. Those sections still apply. So yes I assume much because they still must abide by the Contract.
So which question weren't answered that you will just trust the company on? Section 4 is certainly changed based on what the intent of trip rig is.
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