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FDXer 07-26-2007 11:27 AM

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Nitefrater 07-27-2007 12:52 AM


Originally Posted by robmpd (Post 202410)
I was wondering how you guys at FDX and UPS got your Transoceanic Crossing Experience.

Two hours at a time as the ship was steaming across.

Moondog 07-27-2007 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainMark (Post 202835)
don't need any...looking out the window and eating for 6 hours is not hard to learn...


Hmmmm....That all there is to it? Seems like I am doing alot more than that. Either you don't cross much or you never crossed w/o CPDLC.

dckozak 07-27-2007 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 203336)
Hmmmm....That all there is to it? Seems like I am doing alot more than that. Either you don't cross much or you never crossed w/o CPDLC.

If I was to guess, I'd say never crossed. :p

viktorbravo 07-27-2007 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 203336)
Hmmmm....That all there is to it? Seems like I am doing alot more than that. Either you don't cross much or you never crossed w/o CPDLC.

Yup, thats about all there is to it. It aint rocket surgery.:D Basic position reports and fuel calculations, keeping up with the flight plan, and good SA. Same basics you did for your private/instrument ticket. If something goes wrong your options are limited so you dont have to use much brain power to figure out what you need to do.

Sure its different than flying from Fresno to Burbank, but its not difficult nor does it require the skills of Sky King. I fail to see why some folks make such a big deal out of doing crossings. Its different, but thats about it.

Packer Backer 07-27-2007 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by viktorbravo (Post 203348)
Yup, thats about all there is to it. It aint rocket surgery.:D Basic position reports and fuel calculations, keeping up with the flight plan, and good SA. Same basics you did for your private/instrument ticket. If something goes wrong your options are limited so you dont have to use much brain power to figure out what you need to do.

Sure its different than flying from Fresno to Burbank, but its not difficult nor does it require the skills of Sky King. I fail to see why some folks make such a big deal out of doing crossings. Its different, but thats about it.

I don't think the requirement is about just the crossing itself. But flying into some countries requires a lot more planning and experience than going from ORD to YYZ. Try flying from US to someplace in Russia. Or flying into Turkey with a Greece overflight. And I haven't even touched the complexities of State Rules and noise abatement procedures.

CaptainMark 07-27-2007 06:20 AM

my favorite way to cross is in first class..........

Jetjok 07-27-2007 06:23 AM

When I checked out as an MD-11 captain, one of the requirements was to do two Atlantic crossings. These were done on IOE, with mine being from EWR to STN and then on to FRA, followed by a return from FRA to MEM. Before we got CPDLC, one of the more important tasks was the receipt of the oceanic clearance, which really has to be done correctly, avoiding mistakes at all costs. As well, at that time we not only did standard position reports, but we also did position plotting, until someone realized that the FMS's and GPS's that were used to present "the magenta line" was the same nav aids that showed us our position. We then stopped plotting. Pacific crossings were not required as they were very straightforward. Good luck!

Jetjok 07-27-2007 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainMark (Post 202835)
don't need any...looking out the window and eating for 6 hours is not hard to learn...

What the captain meant to say was that he doesn't need any oceanic crossing training, because he flies a jet that (at FedEx at least) doesn't make any ocean crossings, unless you consider "crossing the Atlantic", coasting out somewhere over South Carolina and coasting in near Ft. Lauderdale.:D

MD11Fr8Dog 07-27-2007 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainMark (Post 203360)
my favorite way to cross is in first class..........

Yep, doing that on Monday to NRT. So tough that I'll need a 48 layover when I get there!:D


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