WhoopWhoop

Ditto. I couldn't have said it any better. Start with what we've got, add to it. Voted 'No' several times just to make sure it took...

JetJocF14

I can't agree more with an earlier comment about the cost of doing business. When BMW decides to build a plant in SC it doesn't ask the employees to fund it. When EXXON decides to build a plant or oil rig they don't come at the employees and ask for the money to build it. Gee if we pilots were really good sports maybe we should buy FedEx the first 777 just like Delta employees did.

My father retired from Shell Oil as part of management and when I worked for an airline with a great silver fleet we often got into discussions of union vs management. His philosophy was that unions were a good check and balance to management. Management running a muck is a complete disaster AK Frank Lorenzo. On the other end of the spectrum is Herb Keller over at Southwest. Were is FedEx? Somewhere in the middle. The point being is management WILL ALWAYS COME UPWITH AN EXCUSE of why they can't pony up to the table. New planes, new hub, new cities, new cost, hell do you know how much logo lights cost.

Once when I was a Bus captain during a hub turn over in Paris I overheard one of the Wood sisters talking to his buddy how the $4 hundred thousand + boat was almost paid off. And didn't Clive Seal buy a Citation only to have FedEx lease it right back from him before we had Challengers. What about the tractor king.

FedEx has grown a lot in the 18 years I've been here. But a lot of it has been STRAIGHT on the backs of the employees especially the pilots.

So bottom line is this is the cost of doing business. Don't give me that line about wife and kids. That's something a marine drill instructor would say to a recruit. I'm a MD-11 captain about 50% up the list. Most likely will never bid these FDA. But don't want to see anyone forced into going away for a month and definitely don't feel its my responsibility to finance these new FDA's

MY VOTE REMAINS NO............

MaydayMark

I would consider bidding an FDA. Wife sort of likes the CDG idea, I sort if like the HKG idea but ...

$2700 housing assistance ... not enough

500# move ... not enough

STV ... Bad deal, 30 days (maybe 90 if you read the side letter) away for 13 days pay

NO schooling assistance ... just plain bad planning by the company (quite frankly it's insulting and I'm an "empty nester" so it doesn't affect me directly)

SCOPE improvements ... sorry, I just don't see this in the LOA language. I really wish I did, it might be enough to get me to vote yes. Maybe I need some of what the MEC is smoking?

In summary, I can't find a single good deal in this LOA and voted NO

I'm really disappointed in both the company and my union


Mark

Toccata

WARNING - Opinion Only Below

Do you seriously not think that, to a degree, leverage is not in existence other than section 6?

Consider the ramifications of numbers 5, 8, 10, and 11 of a document (CDG/HKG FDA Agreement) that each Crewmember who bids CDG or HKG will have to sign.

Then, further consider that this is not a stand-alone document, but the requirement to sign it becomes part of the CBA via 'A,' of the LOA. Signing it is now a requirement of the CBA, ratified by the membership. However, with no wording such as exists in the LOA....... things are a little different.

Ever had, or know of someone who has had, a pre-nup thrown out of court by the Judge because it was signed, in his opinion, under duress? ("Son, you're tellin' me that you and the missus could not move to Paris unless you signed this-here document? Why that thare's coercion. I won't have that in my courtroom.")

How bad do you think FedEx desires those legal jurisdiction provisions to be a done deal. I don't know, but I think those FedEx lawyers do a pretty darn good job.

WARNING - Opinion Only Above

Overnitefr8

What Mayday Mark said.

NO

MD11Fr8Dog

What you said!

Been NO since the vote opened!

Huck

Unfortunately, just the first step in the decline of a once proud airline. We'll be neck-deep in alligators by this time next year (wait until the new rig kicks in).

But I see no need to make whoever bids the foreign bases do it without the money.

Negotiations are over, folks. We're sitting at the closing. Sign or don't sign, but don't expect another bite at the apple. Voted Yes.

frozenboxhauler

Huck, I "expect another bite at the apple" if this is voted down. If we don't get one, that's cool too. This is just business, that's all.
I've voted already, and I'm not doing it again. Still a big,fat, purple NO!
fbh

angry tanker

Good deal - Locations
Bad Deal - lack of support to live there
- No guaranteed medical for you or your family (in writing)
- No schooling for your children (all optional)
- No realistic move package
- No translator or legal assistance for potential problems with landlord,
hospitals, etc
- No idea of the schedules, other than not commutable (enjoy the vacation
12-24 hrs at a time)
- The potential to be sent to a foreign country for up to 90 days and only
get paid for half.

I think I could go on about taxes and everything else, but you get my idea.

Still voting no!

BrownGirls YUM

But you somehow see a need to make me have to pay more in taxes than I am legally obligated?

And you see a need for me to only take 500 pounds of my stuff with me?

And you see a need for me to now have a restriction on the amount of goods I store, especially in light of my only being able to take 500 pounds with me?

And you see a need for me to sit in GT of unspecified quality for an unlimited time per duty day?

And you see a need for me to give up monthly shipments? Ever used Asian toilet paper for any length of time?

And you see a need for me to give up a substantial portion of my relocation allowance?

You see a need for me to no longer be eligible for househunting tickets?

You see a need for me to not be given compensated time off for relocation?

You see a need for me to get no relocation allowance upon completion of my FDA?

You see a need for me to no longer be compensated for lease cancellations?

You see a need for others to be sent over there against their will since most won't voluntarily do this sort of stuff anymore? For some reason, you think they need to now sit over there for a month(or two or three), and not be compensated at the current CBA rate.


Gee, thanks for looking out for me.

Do me a favor and don't do me any more favors.