Who is going where?
 

What do you guys think on this next bid? I think:

FDA CA slots will be filled by WB FO's (most with those that bid SIBA anyway)
FDA FO slots filled by some NB SO's but mostly Purple Eggrolls/Crouisants

Which means, we HAVE to begin hiring again, right?

Do we have a pool now? If so, how many?

Don't know but it is a lot smaller today then it was yesterday.

We will fill the slots, you can bet on it. But we are no longer every ones first choice.

There is always STV

We don't have to hire anyone

:confused:

Where do you work? It's been a while since FDX 72s had SIBA, and a long time since we had European SIBA. Do we have other NBs I don't know about?

Maybe yes...maybe no. Just look at the number of reserve lines in the 727 bid pack. Over 100 in the left seat, a greater number for the FOs and a bunch for the plumbers. That's a lot of folks sitting around.

Haven't bothered looking at the other bid packs, but expect the -10 is heavy with RSV lines...therefore the pending excess bid.

Who knows what the next bid will bring.

Remember, bean counters rule.

I think that since this LOA is such of an enhancement to the CBA that my seniority will increase, because obviously the FDA's will go very senior. I even heard today that the union office might be moved to HKG since all of the MEC guys are going to move over there with the enhanced package.:eek:

My bad fdx727, I meant WB FO's...I fix.

Truer words have never been spoken. I'm so proud this pilot group stood up for what they deserve. So after this we can look forward to a 3 % pay raise and cola in 6 years. We have no leverage, It's the best we can do.

Sallright, just confusing as originally posted. Although, I'll bet a lot of CDG Capts are ex-NB FOs. That's quite a pay jump ($108 to $180 based on second year pay,) even at Paris prices.

Although it would be nice to see some tax equalization samples so you can see how much of that 72K extra you can keep.

Do you think they'll fill all the seats or need to hire into them?

Do we have a pool still?

If we were "smart" enough to vote this in I'm sure we'll have plenty of folks "smart" enough to bid those left seats. Right seats, maybe not that "smart". Might have to recruit some really "smart" newhires for that.

I sure hope they will know who to thank when they get their ALPA spiel during indoc.

FJ

Guess:

HKG CA = Filled by very junior wide body FO's from ANC and SFS (as junior as guys with 2 years seniority)

HKG FO = Filled by a couple of SFS FOs who have vested interests in Asia other than airplanes (own real estate, own businesses, too many Asian kids to feed, etc) and the rest filled by new hires with SJS (Shiny Jet Syndrome)

CDG CA and FO = no educated guess on that one.

My MEC speaks for me, and it's saying I am a complete puss y who will gladly make any sacrifice to help Fred bank an extra nickel.

HKG Capt's = SFS Capts and SFS F/O's

HKG F/O's = SFS F/O's and 72 S/O's, no new hires needed

CDG Capt's = 1/3 wide body capts, the rest airbus guys, maybe a couple
72 Capt's

CDG F/O's = boeing F/O's and S/O's

My bet is no new hires required to fill these spots. . . If 68% voted for. . there are plenty of people thinking about bidding it. . .

Then again . . I could be wrong

Yes, you have a pool...I've been wearing the floaties since the end of February of this year, and I'm sure that there are others that have been waiting longer than I have...

The "educated" guess that I've heard from my fellow poolies is that there are between 25-50 of us...but that is still a guess...

A Losing $ proposition?
 

I think CDG Capt, filling up with WB 300 cap's (are you thinking current SIBA guys?) is really a stretch.

Have you looked at the $ a WB SIBA CAP would give up just to keep flying the stuff he's doing SIBA? HELL of a pay cut! (Domestic is even more of a strech.) I don't think that's going to happen, even if he's a SIBA bus guy. Maybe the senior current SIBA f/o's, but not the capts. Most of the current SIBA guys are bidding for QOL. Min departures, max pay. Shave the deadhead days down, etc.

What will be just as interesting is if they decide to "merge" the current problematic excess with the next MOAB. Either way, the next few weeks should be interesting.

$0.02

Hey Subic guys/gals, whats the word on the streets? How many current SFS's folks plan on moving to HKG? Bet alot of those folks move back to the states with this "spectacular" LOA. Have fun on that 5 hr ground transpo to the hub, just in time for that 15 hr flight to Paris.

The majority of us are NOT going to HKG. By the way the longest flight we do is from ICN to SFS, just a little under 4 hrs.

Now that is funny!

Is there any reason why the excess bid and the MOAB couldn't be combined? Are there any Pros or Cons to combining them?
SeeDub

Int'l, As a SFS Captain, I will not be bidding HKG. Although I wanted to, that option was taken away with the LOA. I would've been better off with our current contract. To those that voted yes to help out the guys who did want to go...thanks. There will be one or two SFS Captains who will take it. I'm sure the Captain who already lives and owns a home there will. A couple others have homes and families in Asia. Perhaps they will. That's it. As for the F/O's going over as Captains, that's more plausible. Except of course, those with children.

You seem to imply that because 68% voted for the LOA that there are quite a few thinking about bidding it. I disagree. Almost everyone that I heard that was voting for, were doing so for the benefit of those that did bid it. You know $2700 was better than nothing. Many wanted that added "scope protection" Well, for those thinking about it, do your research(our NC certainly didn't), and bid accordingly. I've certainly enjoyed the flying here in SFS. I look forward to going home.

Underdog,

First, I voted NO, but doesn't the LOA allow you to choose the original CBA FDA package ? I thought that was the the choice of the pilot ? Just wondering.

I think he and several others don't like the tax equalization consequences that are now imposed under both options. There are several threads on here that discuss why it isn't such a good deal in HKG with a 17% tax rate and a pretty high US housing tax exclusion.

that makes sense ! thanks

We also gave up the, up to $20,000, FDA bonus from the CBA sec. 6 option.

If the pilots who bid CDG use "buying power" (Euro conversion, 20% VAT, tuition) as thier decision point, you'll see only NB SO's without school aged children bid 757 CAP, Any one else will take a substantial pay cut. New hires will fill the FO slots. Unknown for Hong Kong.

Is he senior enough to hold STV's? Seems to me the first two years would pay more with per diem and without the tax equalization.

Has anyone actually been paid that sect. 6E1e bonus since the initial opening of SFS? Reading through that section makes it sound pretty much optional for the company to pay it. Kinda like a bribe.

Must not be enough "over 53" guys coming back to make it worth the MEC's time.:eek:

You know...I'm not really sure.

However, I would think they would have had to bribe a few to get to these FDAs. But, its water under the bridge. It's certainly irrelevant for these FDAs.

Maybe the SFS(Sioux Falls?) folks could answer that.

Yes, everyone here in SFS has been paid the 79 CH hours. It is NOT optional. The only people who were not paid it were new hires. They get screwed on that deal and only get a flat bonus of $2000.

And you get 79 CH to move back.

Maybe you should read Sect 6.E.1.e. before you answer -- you're apparently confused. It has nothing to do with 79 Credit Hours.






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True but, the way I read the section; if no one is getting the bonus it is because the MEC isn't contesting it. How do you read it?

That's the way I read it, too.

Like, they have to agree...Or it goes to the system board.

Of course, I never got the "cats and dogs" for the contract explaining what everything meant.

Thanks, Tony. I stand by my 1st post. The first part of that section reads, in part "a pilot, other than a pilot assigned to an FDA location as his first crew position, may be eligible for an FDA bonus as follows" That "may" means they don't have to pay it. As I understand it, it hasn't been paid since the original opening of SFS.

e. In addition to the relocation allowance provided in Section 6.C.2., a pilot, other than a pilot assigned to an FDA location as his first crew position, may be eligible for an FDA bonus as follows: Has the company consulted with the association IAW i?

Has the company established a time limit to receive the bonus? In SFS the minimum is 3 years.

Has the Union appealed the amount to the system board?

Do these sound like legitimate questions to see how much support someone at an FDA will get from the union?

Still strictly up to the company whether they want to pay it or not. And based on the seniority of SFS captains, it is not a senior-junior issue, as the junior Cap there is way more senior than any other WB except LAX. The company didn't need to pay it to get Captains over there, so they didn't.
Doesn't appear as if the MEC has anything to say about it, other than what the amount is if the company pays it.

Tony:

I stand corrected. I did not read the quoted section when I answered with the 79 CH remark.

Yes, everyone gets their 79 CH to come to SFS (except new hires), and everyone gets the 79 CH when they leave (either excessed out, and/or leaving own their own accord providing they have met the 3 year commitment).

And no, I don't know anyone who has been paid the "20 K / 15 K bonus". Maybe just the first round of guys who got here when the base first opened, I have not asked them about that.

I miss-thought, when I read the word "bonus" in the previous person's post, my mind went to the 79 credit hour payment. You are correct, this is not a bonus, but a mandatory contractual payment.