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"disp" in vips open time
Nice new feature, in the "type" column, where trip is listed as "aug" or "xtra", I'd love to hear the excuses now from buttheads that pick up the dp's. But, it’s not there for the MEM 11, every other plane has their disputed pairings listed...anyone got a nice conspiracy theory for this?
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About 6 months ago, I recommended to the SIG that they designate the disputed pairings with a "D". As in D456 ... they told me the compnay would NEVER agree to that. This is close. Good!
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
(Post 212575)
About 6 months ago, I recommended to the SIG that they designate the disputed pairings with a "D". As in D456 ... they told me the compnay would NEVER agree to that. This is close. Good!
Maybe its one of the small bones we got for this LOA!:( |
I'm sure the team players who pick up the DPs will find some other excuse for why they bone the rest of us. After all, who could possibly figure out what "disp" could possibly mean.
Of course, with the way "we" just threw ourselves under the bus with this LOA, I'm not surprised that "we" are flying DPs. We truly are a bunch of diipshiits. |
Now they need to figure out how to id the DPs on the phone portion of VIPS. Right now the trip is not flagged on the phone in system.
Don't want to give the DP fliers any open excuses. |
Nevermind.....I was thinking of something else.
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Originally Posted by FXDX
(Post 212648)
Now they need to figure out how to id the DPs on the phone portion of VIPS. Right now the trip is not flagged on the phone in system.
Don't want to give the DP fliers any open excuses. |
Originally Posted by Propwash
(Post 212653)
The last few months there hasn't been any DP for Mem MD11
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Originally Posted by Propwash
(Post 212653)
The last few months there hasn't been any DP for Mem MD11
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
(Post 212601)
Maybe its one of the small bones we got for this LOA!:(
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
(Post 212601)
Maybe its one of the small bones we got for this LOA!:(
We got a BIG bone in the LOA! Now we need to find some KY jelly in there somewhere so we can take it. :eek: |
Originally Posted by R1200RT
(Post 212845)
We got a BIG bone in the LOA! Now we need to find some KY jelly in there somewhere so we can take it. :eek:
Reminds me of something I was told when I first got into the Navy. "Son, they are going to put a 20 foot pole up your a$$, then they are going to pull it out an inch at a time, and then they are going to tell you what a good deal they just gave you!":D I can't wait for all the good deals after this 20 foot LOA! |
Originally Posted by vschip
(Post 212574)
Nice new feature, in the "type" column, where trip is listed as "aug" or "xtra", I'd love to hear the excuses now from buttheads that pick up the dp's. But, it’s not there for the MEM 11, every other plane has their disputed pairings listed...anyone got a nice conspiracy theory for this?
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Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
(Post 212936)
It is there for the Mad Dog too. No more, "oh I didn't know, but it fit in my schedule and it is not that bad." No question now. They will have to admit they are scumbags from the beginning.
You mean the same guys that didn't read the LOA and voted yes will know what the "disp" means, or to even think to ask if they don't? How about the company, or at least ALPA, reminding/enlightening ALL us of this nice new "enhanced" (I've seen that word somewhere before:rolleyes:) code in VIPS! |
Okay,
There may be a few guys out there who may not have a clue what you're referring to. Pretend for a minute that I don't really understand the significance of an "aug" or "extra" label on the open time and give me the low down so I (I mean they) don't screw this up. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
(Post 213163)
Okay,
There may be a few guys out there who may not have a clue what you're referring to. Pretend for a minute that I don't really understand the significance of an "aug" or "extra" label on the open time and give me the low down so I (I mean they) don't screw this up. Thanks. "Aug"- Augmented crew,( 2 capts./2 firsts, 1 capt/3 firsts) for flights with block hours for 12 hours or more. I hope you won't see any of these in open time in the 72 or the bus:) With the optimizer running at full steam, you just might;) fbh |
I am not sure why some seats open time has DISP listed, for example the MD11 in MEM has disputes but they are NOT flagged. So bottom line, do not rely on this "labeling" to cover you in not picking up a dispute. The ONLY way to know if a pairing is disputed is to check it against the SIG Notes.
I can see it now, there was not a DISP next to the pairing in Open Time, so I picked it up. I love the idea and it should be easy for the Company to implement system wide, but as of right now it should not be relied on !:eek: |
Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
(Post 212980)
You mean the same guys that didn't read the LOA and voted yes will know what the "disp" means, or to even think to ask if they don't? How about the company, or at least ALPA, reminding/enlightening ALL us of this nice new "enhanced" (I've seen that word somewhere before:rolleyes:) code in VIPS!
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
(Post 212980)
You mean the same guys that didn't read the LOA and voted yes will know what the "disp" means, or to even think to ask if they don't? How about the company, or at least ALPA, reminding/enlightening ALL us of this nice new "enhanced" (I've seen that word somewhere before:rolleyes:) code in VIPS!
See postings by Magic Rat. http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...1&postcount=64 |
I hope the Rat (and others) were just venting.
I was against the LOA. I think some block reps have forgetten who they serve. That in now way is reason enough to hurt EVERYONE by flying DPs. Heck--with all the battles at our MEC, one group that hasn't taken any spears is the SIG/PSIT. Those are the hardest working dudes in showbiz.... |
Actually, it will make it easier for those few guys who are so ****ed that the LOA passed that they have adopted a "****** you guys" attitude to pick up DPs and ****** us. See postings by Magic Rat. ALPA's like a psycho chick that steals from you. But she puts out every once in awhile ... and you keep coming back.... |
I'm so sorry
Originally Posted by Huck
(Post 213388)
ALPA's like a psycho chick that steals from you. But she puts out every once in awhile ... and you keep coming back....
I'm so sorry you even can make that analogy........experience is the biggest Bi+ch of all. |
Originally Posted by Huck
(Post 213388)
ALPA's like a psycho chick that steals from you. But she puts out every once in awhile ... and you keep coming back....
Seriously....coffee came out of my nose... I sure hope she puts out soon...or I may call the cops...really I will |
Plenty of August disputed pairings in open time on the S/O side of the house.
Capts and F/Os slots are filled an ready to go! "But it's a new guy problem".... |
Originally Posted by Huck
(Post 213388)
ALPA's like a psycho chick that steals from you. But she puts out every once in awhile ... and you keep coming back....
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
(Post 212844)
No it's contractual.
25.BB Scheduling Improvement Group (SIG) Implement ability to flag trips as 'disputed' Jul 07 Oct 07 More goodies to follow NLT Oct 07 and Jan 08 |
Why would anyone WANT to fly DP's? They are disputed for a reason...most of the time the reason they are disputed is because they SUCK!!! I have had to fly them on reserve and they are some of the most painful flying known to man....or woman....or transvestite...or any other group that I missed...
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Originally Posted by matty
(Post 213518)
Why would anyone WANT to fly DP's? They are disputed for a reason...most of the time the reason they are disputed is because they SUCK!!! I have had to fly them on reserve and they are some of the most painful flying known to man....or woman....or transvestite...or any other group that I missed...
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Originally Posted by Huck
(Post 213388)
Don't hold it against him. I had similar thoughts after the age 60 resolution.
ALPA's like a psycho chick that steals from you. But she puts out every once in awhile ... and you keep coming back.... |
Originally Posted by KnightFlyer
(Post 213486)
Correct! It's in the appendix:
25.BB Scheduling Improvement Group (SIG) Implement ability to flag trips as 'disputed' Jul 07 Oct 07 More goodies to follow NLT Oct 07 and Jan 08 |
Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
(Post 213537)
Unfortunately is is NOT in the CBA. It is in the appendix but the contractual language is not in section 25 ! Per Contract enforcement. They can be "nice" guys and do it anyway but the Company is not forced to. Apparently this option was on the table but did not make the final cut but was not removed from the implementation appendix.
General Implementation Appendix and Timeline 2006 FedEx Pilot Collective Bargaining Agreement This appendix sets out the timeline upon which each of the changes in the Tentative Agreement will be implemented following ratification. Items which are specifically referenced in the contract as having a later implementation date are not repeated in this appendix and will be implemented on the date specified in the Agreement. In the main table, all dates indicate that the particular provision will be implemented not later than the date stated. In the programming sub-appendices for work rules, (Sections 4, 12 and 25), and retirement and insurance (Sections 27 and 28), two dates are indicated—a target date, by which the Company intends to implement each particular change, and a delivery date, beyond which the Company would be in violation of the Agreement if it has not implemented the change. Under the letter of agreement entitled, “Implementation and Transition,” the parties may, by mutual agreement, alter the timelines set forth in this appendix to achieve a smooth transition into the new Agreement. |
Originally Posted by KnightFlyer
(Post 213590)
Is that right?
They made an error by not pulling the reference out of the index but they did pull the language from the CBA. |
Volunteer vs disp pairings
New guy question here. I've got 30 straight days off in Aug/Sep and want to volunteer for a week near the end. I'd like to volunteer for "General Trips", but I don't want to be in a position to get assigned a disputed pairing and obligated to fly it. Can they assign DP's to volunteers and if so, how can I sign up for volunteer and avoid it?
Thanks, Willy |
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Originally Posted by Willy
(Post 213917)
New guy question here. I've got 30 straight days off in Aug/Sep and want to volunteer for a week near the end. I'd like to volunteer for "General Trips", but I don't want to be in a position to get assigned a disputed pairing and obligated to fly it. Can they assign DP's to volunteers and if so, how can I sign up for volunteer and avoid it?
Thanks, Willy Volunteer for General Trips No pilots requesting volunteer for this date This request are for trips that show: xxSEP07 0130 thru xxSEP07 0129 LBT Maximum trip length (in days) Will you accept Custom Critical, 1-hour notice is possible? Yes No You may select up to 20 trip restrictions for this request: 951 Intl Only 970 4 Day Trip Minimum 952 Domestic Only 971 5 Day Trip Minimum 953 Weekend Layover 972 2 Hours Notice 954 No Weekend Layover 973 3 Hours Notice 955 Morning Only 974 6 Hours Notice 956 Afternoon Only 975 AM Standby Only 957 East Coast Only 976 PM Standby Only 958 West Coast Only 977 No Out and Backs 959 Dead Head Only 978 DH Front End Only 960 No Dead Head 979 DH Back End Only 961 No AM Standby 980 DH Front and Back 962 No PM Standby 981 Late Call Ok DH 964 12 Hours Notice 982 24 Hours Notice 965 One Leg Trip Only 983 No AM Out and Back 966 No Late Call 984 LAX Based LAX Only 967 Out And Back 985 LAX Based ONT Only 968 2 Day Trip Minimum 986 Out and Back Only 969 3 Day Trip Minimum 987 Intl Only (SIBA) |
Originally Posted by Willy
(Post 213917)
New guy question here. I've got 30 straight days off in Aug/Sep and want to volunteer for a week near the end. I'd like to volunteer for "General Trips", but I don't want to be in a position to get assigned a disputed pairing and obligated to fly it. Can they assign DP's to volunteers and if so, how can I sign up for volunteer and avoid it?
Thanks, Willy As a brand new MD-11 FO I put on my custom line request 'NO DPs' as my only request, because rumor was they had been assigning them (big no no) to new guys fresh off IOE. I'm sure that was an interesting sight for Mr. Shipman. ;) |
The 'DISP' labels are missing from the open time pairings.
Anyone have an idea why? |
"They" are still reading our posts here and saw that is wasn't contractually required.:o
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They know many of us are too lazy to look it up.
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Rather convenient that the labels are dropped prior to View/Add window opening.
Yes there are black helos hovering around my house as I type...:eek: |
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