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09-22-2007, 02:03 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by pilot141
Now for the one-source-rumor:
777s will be on the bid. The possibility of delivery slots moving up from Jul 09 to Jan 09 is a reality, and we will need 777 crews by then.
09-22-2007, 09:04 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Gee lets see:
You have the Best Retirement in the Industry!
You have the Best Vacation policy in the Industry.
We have the Best Scope language.
As of Jan 08 you will have the best Medical/Dental benefits in the Industry.
You are all the highest paid in the industry.
Yeap ALPA let you down alright.
And believe it or not we still have the best work rules. Sure things could be better, But Look at the Big picture. There are 100,000 pilots who would change places with you in a New York Second.
You guys are starting to sound like spoiled liltte Rich kids
You have the Best Retirement in the Industry!
You have the Best Vacation policy in the Industry.
We have the Best Scope language.
As of Jan 08 you will have the best Medical/Dental benefits in the Industry.
You are all the highest paid in the industry.
Yeap ALPA let you down alright.
And believe it or not we still have the best work rules. Sure things could be better, But Look at the Big picture. There are 100,000 pilots who would change places with you in a New York Second.
You guys are starting to sound like spoiled liltte Rich kids
Dude - come on. It's a great company and great job but you ARE drinking the kool aid.
- Best retirement? Debatable - I'd say AA and UPS have a more desirable plan if you're currently under 55. 1%A+11-12%B
- Best medical? Are you crazy!? Just because we're switching to Wellpoint/BCBS doesn't mean it's the best. In fact I'd say we have one of the worst - doesn't touch UPS. Worse than SWA. Not sure who we actually are better than - I think JB. $190/month +$20 copay and it only goes up from there. Nothing to brag about. Prove me wrong.
09-23-2007, 03:46 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by Tuck
Dude - come on. It's a great company and great job but you ARE drinking the kool aid.
- Best medical? Are you crazy!? Just because we're switching to Wellpoint/BCBS doesn't mean it's the best. In fact I'd say we have one of the worst - doesn't touch UPS. Worse than SWA. Not sure who we actually are better than - I think JB. $190/month +$20 copay and it only goes up from there. Nothing to brag about. Prove me wrong.
- Best medical? Are you crazy!? Just because we're switching to Wellpoint/BCBS doesn't mean it's the best. In fact I'd say we have one of the worst - doesn't touch UPS. Worse than SWA. Not sure who we actually are better than - I think JB. $190/month +$20 copay and it only goes up from there. Nothing to brag about. Prove me wrong.
RedEye,
You call some spoiled rich kids. We call some senior bubbas cranky old dudes.
How about another list.
1) Scope payments going to VEBA with no vote. VEBA assessment on newhires and under 60 SOs. .
2) Change in age 60 position with no vote.
3) Calls for "Doing the right thing" when it concerns older members. Followed by calls to be lucky for what you have and stories of how tough it was in the old days when passover rules are broken.
4) Concessionary LOA hailed as anything but concessionary. And when the MEC is called on it, they say the information is coming...soon. And it will be complete when it comes. Well, I'm still waiting. Maybe Jack Lewis' e-mail was what the MEC had in mind. Thank you. Never received an explanation why STV was agreed upon as a concession to current SIBA rules. The MEC NEVER listed concessions for us. The STV was modified only after the membership indicated outrage. No outrage at all from any MEC member. All I know is every single MEC member says "Don't worry about it" because we (senior bubbas?) won't have to go.
You'll see how "spoiled" we are when newhires go to Paris and Hong Kong and many of us get STV love. We'll all pretend to be "shocked" by their stories of how spartan they lived.
Last edited by Gunter; 09-23-2007 at 09:12 AM.
09-23-2007, 04:27 AM
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Face it, boys... we were whupped. To the victor goes the spoils.
(I just wish we could hire some of the APAAD lobbyists over to ALPA. Or maybe the AOPA guys that fought the user fee proposal.)
Now it's time to just lay down the narrative that'll help us all get to sleep at night. "Spoiled little rich kids" helps a little. Thinking about the purple nuggets must help alot - they went straight to a widebody right seat. Yeah, it would help the old folks at the top if they could wrap us all up into a mental image of an early-thirties flat belly with a Corvette, a fighter job in the Guard and no kids in sight.
Whatever gets you through the night.....
(I just wish we could hire some of the APAAD lobbyists over to ALPA. Or maybe the AOPA guys that fought the user fee proposal.)
Now it's time to just lay down the narrative that'll help us all get to sleep at night. "Spoiled little rich kids" helps a little. Thinking about the purple nuggets must help alot - they went straight to a widebody right seat. Yeah, it would help the old folks at the top if they could wrap us all up into a mental image of an early-thirties flat belly with a Corvette, a fighter job in the Guard and no kids in sight.
Whatever gets you through the night.....
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