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purple1day 01-10-2008 04:54 PM

Side fyling at Fedex
 
Is it difficult to get approval to do extra commercial flying outside of Fedex, such as flight instruction on the side. Has anyone ever gotten approval from the VP, per the contract, to do such flying?

MaydayMark 01-10-2008 04:59 PM

I once flew with an f/o whose family operated a charter flying service in Anchorage, AK. Each year, he would get approval to fly for the family business for a month during their busy season.

eFDeeeX 01-10-2008 05:06 PM

something non-flying
 
You'd be wise to discover something non-flying to do that might make you extra money/be a fall back.

purple1day 01-10-2008 05:07 PM

Thanks, going to send the email to my ACP tommorow. Wasn't sure if it was something warmly received or not.

purple1day 01-10-2008 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by eFDeeeX (Post 297215)
You'd be wise to discover something non-flying to do that might make you extra money/be a fall back.

Exactly what my rational was.

DinoJet727 01-10-2008 05:54 PM

Did some part 91 on the side in a Citation several years back. I was told by my ACP to put in the letter that there would be no conflicts with my legality for Fedex flying and that I knew that my primary focus would remain on my job at Fedex. As long as I put the company first, he said there would not be any problem. Had the letter in hand within a week. I did have to write and receive a letter each year.

purple1day 01-10-2008 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by DinoJet727 (Post 297262)
Did some part 91 on the side in a Citation several years back. I was told by my ACP to put in the letter that there would be no conflicts with my legality for Fedex flying and that I knew that my primary focus would remain on my job at Fedex. As long as I put the company first, he said there would not be any problem. Had the letter in hand within a week. I did have to write and receive a letter each year.

Thanks guys. That is exactly what I put in my email to my FOA.

HazCan 01-10-2008 08:22 PM

Are you looking to subsidize your FDA allowances?:D

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 01-11-2008 01:18 PM

'Side fyling at Fedex'

I guess dyslexia is not a disqualifier at purple after all, huh? ;)

Dyslectics of teh Wordl Untie! :D

Just havin' a little fun ... Good luck with the side job!

AKBeemer 01-11-2008 04:26 PM

Did you know that 10 out of 8 people are dyslexic...

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 01-11-2008 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by AKBeemer (Post 297909)
Did you know that 10 out of 8 people are dyslexic...

I now, I'm on off them... :D

XprsFr8r 01-11-2008 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by purple1day (Post 297207)
Is it difficult to get approval to do extra commercial flying outside of Fedex, such as flight instruction on the side. Has anyone ever gotten approval from the VP, per the contract, to do such flying?

Last FOM change says:


2.24 Other Commercial Flying

Non-company commercial flying by FedEx pilots is restricted by the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement). FedEx pilots may not do any commercial flying other than FedEx Express, if that commercial flying would count toward his FAR regulated block hours or duty time limitations of FAR 121.503 through 121.525. This restriction does not apply to a pilot who is a member of a military guard or reserve organization in the flying of military aircraft.

F9Fan 01-12-2008 06:37 PM

So where exactly does 'sim' flight instruction fall with this? I assume there is no fllight time problems as sim instruction isn't 'flight' time. But does sim instruction fall into the duty time equation effecting rest/24 in 7 issues?

XprsFr8r 01-12-2008 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by F9Fan (Post 298510)
So where exactly does 'sim' flight instruction fall with this? I assume there is no fllight time problems as sim instruction isn't 'flight' time. But does sim instruction fall into the duty time equation effecting rest/24 in 7 issues?

The FOM doesn't say anything about simulator instruction (you don't really log sim time, do you?).


FedEx pilots may not do any commercial flying other than FedEx Express, if that commercial flying would count toward his FAR regulated block hours or duty time limitations of FAR 121.503 through 121.525.

purple1day 01-12-2008 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by XprsFr8r (Post 297970)
Last FOM change says:

Yes but the contract states:


Section 12.A. Hours of Service - General

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Flying (Non-Company)
This Agreement contemplates that pilots shall devote their entire professional flying service to the Company, except that nothing in this Agreement shall be construed to prevent a pilot from affiliating with the military service of the United States.
Pilots shall not fly aircraft other than those operated by the Company for hire or remuneration unless authorized by the Vice President, Flight Operations, or his designee. Except for Company flight operations, a pilot shall not perform flying which would count toward his FAR regulated block hours or duty time limitations. This does not restrict a pilot who is a member of a military guard or reserve organization in the flying of military aircraft.


pilot141 01-13-2008 12:14 AM

I spent 2 years at FDX with an extra job as a simulator instructor.

The sim flying didn't count toward FAR time so FDX never cared about how many days/hours I taught in the box.

As far as duty time, if you are legal on the jumpseat you are legal for the trip. If you had some FAR duty time earlier that day in the sim then you are on your own if something goes wrong. How far you want to push that envelope is up to you.


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