Ati?
 

Anyone here work for Air Transport Intl., or know someone that does? I am wondering if this a decent place to work. I am considering applying and I would like to know a little about the place before I do so.

Thanks.

Don't nobody know nothin about Air Transport International?

Anyone heard anything?

Pretty decent place to work. You work up to 16 days per 28 day bid period. While it's possible to work the 16 days straight, you generally work 8 on, 6 off. About half of the flying is domestic flights out of BAX's Toledo hub and the rest of the flying is international (a lot of which is done by the senior folks).

The pay is equal to or better than most 747 supplemental carriers and we are home based. Almost all the crewmembers are a pleasure to fly with and the airplanes are in about as good a condition as you could expect for a forty-ish year old jet.

We are in the process of being sold to Cargo Holdings International concurrently with the sale of BAX to the Deutsche Bahn. I've heard we will continue to operate for BAX under contract. Also, we are in union contract negotiations which seem to have come to a grinding halt in the compensation phase.

Any other questions?

ATI has 747s or do I misunderstand your post? Thought ATI was all DC8s.

l8fr82hub,

Thanks for the info. I just submitted an application and I am hoping for an interview.

How long on reserve? Do reserve guys sit at home or at the Clarion in TOL? Retirements? How are the BAX schedules? Any other info you can provide to an RJ Captain looking to cross over to the cargo world would be greatly appreciated :)

Speed- Yes, currently ATI only operates DC-8s. I used the 747 comparison because there aren't many DC-8 operators to compare to and I believe ATI pay much better than the ones that do (with the exception of UPS).

Flaps 9- There are two types of reserve;
1.) "hard reserve" is 16 scheduled days, which aren't usually consecutive- usually 8 on, 6 off. On hard reserve you usually either fly BAX or sit in the Toledo Plaza.

2.) "open reserve" you don't have a schedule at all and you usually stay home until you receive an assignment. Days off are earned at a ratio of 8 hours off for every 10 hours on per diem. So, if for example you were on duty for 10 days (240 hours) you would be guaranteed 8 days off (192 hours)

Retirements: with the pending sale I don't know what the new plan will be. Presently 401k with match.

BAX schedules: usually 8 on, 6 off if you start in Toledo. If you start in PDX or SJC it's more like 11 on, 10 off.

Pay: 13-28 day bid periods per year. 56 hour guarantee. 3.5 hour a day trip rig. Year one FO pay $51.19 hr. Year two $65.90 hr. Year three $77.30.

We've recently hired a lot of RJ guys and they seem quite happy with the transition. Good luck.

Thanks for the info, filling out my application right now. :)

Looking at the web page I have seen Fan engines on the freighters and jet on the combi, are those archive pictures or is this the current set up?
Any upgrade as far as avionics? I have herd partial glass, but it was Flight info....
Thanks

Sk3

All of the freighters are powered by the CFM56's. We have three combis that are powered by the low-bypass JT3's. ATI recently purchased two DC-8-72's from the French Air Force which are presently being fumigated;) and modified to eventually join the combi fleet.

All the airplanes have UNS-1D GPS's installed. All of the DC-8-73's have glass (Rockwell I believe). The -62's and -71's still have their original avionics (except for the altimeters and airspeed indicators). The -72's are supposed to have a complete Universal package installed including the flat panels and I understand eventually the whole fleet will be converted to Universal displays.

Out of curiosity, given the same fuel quantity and similar condition, what is the difference in Range between the different engine option?
Is it anything like the difference between Jet/Fan on corporate planes (Lear20Vs30) ?
Thanks

Sk3

The CFMs burn 1000-2000 lbs less total per hour than the JT3s. Can't really make a fair range comparison because the -62s that are JT3 powered are much lighter due to their short fuselages and they also have longer and more efficient wings than the -71s. Can't wait to see how the -72 performs; short body + big engines + big wings = rocketship.

If they send you an application are you fairly assured of getting an interview?

No, I don't think so. I applied three time before actually getting interviewed.

Hi l8fr82hub,

I have a few questions, would you mind if I PM you?

Thanks

Sk3

Go ahead..

I did not realise I had to have 25 posts to Pm a member, I`ll just ask the questions...
Do you feel ATI is a stepping stone for the pilots that worked there, or is the enviroment such that you can consider it long term(5+years)?
The 8`s are no spring chicken anymore, do you feel they will be around for 8/10 years (Noise/pollution/spares) or is the company considering other airframes?
Can you fly contract while employed by ATI or can you exceed the guarantee?
I am a low time pilot(3500), what is the upgrade time right now?
Do you know how many pilot they are looking for and when are the classes schedule for? Do they Type SiC (International Operation)?
ATI seems by all accounts a decent company, i just would hate to give up a PiC job without learning as much as possible of what I might be getting myself into....

Thanks for your time

Sk3

In my opinion ATI is the type of place you can stay long term and do well and still have plenty of time at home with the family. In the last year only one pilot has left to work at another airline. While it's true that the DC-8's are getting long in the tooth the company is looking at newer airframes (767's if the rumors are true). I believe ATI's pending purchase by Cargo Holdings International will expedite the process since another of CHIs subsidiarys is in the process of converting ex-American 767s into freighters. I also think they're planning on operating the -8s for another seven years or so.

Contract flying would require the Chief Pilot's blessing and overtime is somewhat limited but not impossible to obtain.

As for upgrades; the folks currently upgrading have been here for 5 years. I don't anticipate it'll take that long for me due to upcoming retirements and the possible fleet expansion. With the amount of PIC time you have and depending on what category airplane it's in you'll probably need 1000 hours SIC before you can upgrade, but the company can waive that if they want to. My guess is that you could upgrade in as little as 2 years or as long as 5 years.

They posted eight FO positions for internal hiring (FE upgrades). No one has been awarded a position as of today. If not I assume they'll hire eight off the street with a class date in late February or in March. Just speculation on my part.

Type ratings; They have recently given full type ratings to new hires, but I don't know if they're still doing that. You would at least receive the SIC only type rating to meet the international requirement.

And lastly: my advice- take it for what it's worth. If you don't have 1000 turbine PIC I would stay and get it so you'll have more options. If you have that and want to fly to some truly unique places with some great people then it's worth trying for.

Good luck

You preatty much hit the neil in the head.
I have about 500 PIc on Lj35, but i fly about 95 hours a month, so i could be getting to the 1000 mark in the next 5/6 months, if i was to leave early, i would like to fly P/T until i got the 1000hrs, just as insurance....
I fly to Central&S. America and I really enjoy it, but the been on call is taking its tall, and you seem to combine a cool schedule with interesting flying, and that is why I have applyed!
Anyway, I guess I`ll start worrying about it if I get called for an Interview!
Thanks for all your help

Sk3

You pretty much hit the neil in the head.
I have about 500 PIc on Lj35, but i fly about 95 hours a month, so i could be getting to the 1000 mark in the next 5/6 months, if i was to leave early, i would like to fly P/T until i got the 1000hrs, just as insurance....
I fly to Central&S. America and I really enjoy it, but the been on call is taking its tall, you seem to combine a cool schedule with interesting flying, and that is why I have applyed!
Anyway, I guess I`ll start worrying about it if I get called for an Interview!
Thanks for all your help

Sk3

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Have a buddy who left Piedmont Express for ATI. He loves it. Flying all over the world with good ole boys for crews who know how to have a good time with 24-48 hour layovers.

according to their webpage ATI is not hiring... but this thread seems to lead that they are... so anyone know for sure if they are or are not hiring?

thanks

I think the window has closed. The ATI webpage had openings for F/O's.

Do you know how long training lasts? What's the pay like during training? and does ATI put new hires up during training?

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From what my friend relayed to me, the pay is $250/week until you finish training. Training takes as long as is needed to get you through. He did get his room payed for.

Thanks for the info, hopefully I'll get the call for an interview :)

5 weeks total training. About 3 weeks of ground school (1 week of indoc and 2 weeks of systems). After the classroom training another two weeks for CPT and sim. Company pays for the hotel and provides $36/day per diem. Training is done in Dayton, OH. They'll pay transportation to and from.
You'll probably have at least a week off between training and IOE.

The training pay is $500 every two weeks until you complete IOE.

Thanks, hopefully the phone will ring tomorrow :)

Has Anybody that has sent the Application herd back anything from ATI?
When&where are the interview scheduled, class dates?
Thanks

Sk3

Just Spoke to Ms McCullah and apparently the selected candidates were contacted today...
Congrats to the ones that got the call and Best of Luck!

Sk 3

ati interveiw
 

pls. tell me the truth about the interveiw and hiring. i'm in the process of going to interview. as many details as possible would be of great help; as i really want this job. i'm furloghed from kittyhawk and want back in the game.

I don't have much info about the current interview process, but there is some info at http://aviationinterviews.com/ . Good luck.

How many hours on avg. do you guys fly?

Domestic guys about 30-50 hours a month. International about 50-80 hours a month. International lines go to the senior folks, but open reserve guys are used to fill international vacancies.

30-50 that does not seem a lot, especially when it comes down to your paycheck. You guys are G61 hrs, so does that mean 3rd yr FO 77x61=4697 or so, does that seem right? Because as a 3rd yr FO you are not very senior so you probably barely will get in more then 61hrs.
You mentioned that you guys make more then many 747 pilots, did you mean per hour, or just plain salary. Looking at Polar, a 4th yr CA makes 115/hr and a 4yr CA at ATI is 126/hr, but if you are only flying 61 hrs at ATI, and around 73hr at Polar, it comes out to more money on the Polar side.

I hope I am making sense, and not confusing you.

Edik

I'd say your numbers are about right. I was referring to the hourly rate.

Looks like these guys are hiring again. Anyone have any current info?

Looks like the 8's will be around for a while, and 767s will start flying late spring. Maybe several more classes this year. The application window for a March class will only be open for another week or so. Based on what future flying looks like, if you don't like the "International" part of ATI, I don't think that it would be a good place to go.

What the heck is going on at ATI? On another web site people are singing the gloom and doom song. Are you guys really on your 4th year in contract talks? I read where someone interviewed a month or so ago and they were preaching massive growth bunches of 76's yada yada. An Ati crew member posted quite a few things that were 180* from what was being spread on the net.

Check your bearings. I think you may be confusing ATI with Astar Air Cargo.

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