grant123

With all the passenger airline merger talk, age 65, economic issues and Fedex and UPS always trying to up one another, does anyone see any big news coming from either one? Atlas, Polar, DHL??? Any chance of the A380 coming back to the freight side soon?

Thanx!

FlyByCable

Wouldn't be surprised to see UPS purchase Atlas to get the 400s and -8s.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

How would that work with their Polar division that DHL owns 25% of? Or is it 49% of Polar and 25% of the vote? Can't remember but either way, how would that work? Also, I can see about getting their 400s but their 8s? Isn't the first delivery scheduled for 2010?

As far as mergers - FedEx and UPS is old news - everyone knows that FedUPS is inevitable!

FliFast

I like to see us buy American. I can help out with how we integrate them on our seniority list.

Whaledriver

Let me give this a try.......DHL owns 49% of Polar, and has a 25% voting right. Polar is owned by the same holding company that owns Atlas Air, Atlas Air Worldwide Holdings (AAWW). Atlas could be bought and not have any effect on Polar and visa versa. We are still separate...for the time being.

The -8's are being purchased by Atlas Air. Polar has six -400's that are theirs.

1800 RVR

Now, now, Fli. Remember, "turn the other cheek" and all. Actually, when i was at ATA, we had a classmate who was TWA, and he said on his last day at AA, after he got off the airplane and into the terminal, he walked up tp a garbage can and tossed his hat into it. Walking a little further, he comes up to another garbage can and in goes his blazer. This continued until all evidence of AA was gone. (Now, if he really had done it that way, what a great exit!)

FliFast

Funny how all the trash cans were full that day...

sorry..back to the thread.

FF

AFW_MD11

yeah - the thread was about cargo MERGERS - not ACQUISITIONS anyway

why would someone bring up AA's acquisition of TWA in a thread about mergers anyway?

FliFast

AFW,

Why bring it up ?

That's an excellent question. Consolidation takes many forms: Merger, acquistion whether friendly or hostile.
It seems immient that the passenger side of the airline industry is about to engage in a round of consolidations. Many pilot unions have taken notes of the transactions between AA/TWA and USAir and Am. West. It is my humble opinion that in this next round of mergers Local unions will take measures to protect themselves from what was done in the lopsided seniority list merger at TWA/AA and try to find other alternatives to the merger at US/AWA.

IF, the cargo industry engages in consolidation, the most important issue to me would be my surviving seniority. I would presume that would be very important to you also. In my opinion, this was the genesis for Congress to pass legislation hoping to avoid another lopsided seniority list merger.

I hope this answers your question. One question for you, are you a former American Airlines pilot ?

FF

dfwdavi8r

Because some people are still not happy about their "rightful place" (what B.S.)

Just wondering if that dead horse was the one wearing blinders?

There are former APA pilot's in SDF, MIA and ONT too. And if there are mergers in the Cargo industry then there will be former APA pilots senior to you on 3 seniority lists.

Isn't there enough for you to worry about at Brown with (over 60 NBs, Whale Displacements and Vacancies ect...) not to be dredging up over and over and over again stuff from 6 years ago? We get it, You think you got hosed. Well guess what, a lot of us think we did too.

Get over it already.