How do you figure that? Look at Challenge and what happened to their pilots. What makes you think that UPS would keep us.

About 200 pilots and 50 PFEs.
Why would you rather see us at UPS. UPS does not have a great track record for taking pilots from companies they buy.
It is not my intent to be disrespectful of UPS or FedEx but why do you think either would take us?

That comment was meant to be funny, but I also realize that it's no laughing matter for the guys at Gemini. I work for FDX and I was just trying to point out that it would suck going down 200 spots on the seniority list overnight (life Flying Tigers acquisition back in 1990). Whatever happens, I hope that the pilots at Gemini get taken care of by whoever, if anyone, buys them out.

Well, I guess after all the bitching and moaning is over (re: seniority intergration) it would be better for both, with either UPS or FDX. Maybe it would be smoother at FDX, but thats just a guess, I sense the UPS pilots would be tougher on an aquiring pilot group than FDX, IMHO. No doubt, there would be wailing from all quaters, allways is when pilots are involved.:D

Gemini is a small and relatively junior pilot group compared to Purple or Brown. (I believe its only been around for ten years.) However, it has been sold by its controlling owner; Carlyle Group. Now, how do all of us in the knitting circle figure out who bought the controlling interest?
If a publicly held company purchases a privately held company, doesn't the public company have to file something with the SEC? Shareholders? I am a purple shareholder and have rec'vd nothing.
What timeline is involved?
Doesn't someone in this forum have an MBA?
Help me out...and pray purple bought them.

I guess that you are not filled on UPS buying Challenge Air Cargo. They bought the routes, the Central and South American ground operations and the facility in MIA. They didn't take a single pilot. I guess it would suck to be bought by UPS.

OK, based on what happened to the Challenge Air guy's, I hope UPS doesn't buy Gemini. I'm sure if Fedex buys Gemini, there will be plenty to ***** about,
mainly by junior purple and senior Gemini pilots.:rolleyes:

Yeah Brown, if it is true and UPS does buy Gemini I guess UPS will fire all the Gemini pilots just like it fired all the Challenge Air Cargo guys after it purchased Challenge in 2000. Good luck Gemni Pilots your going to need it with a company like UPSux..........

This might seem naive of me; however, if you think of the cost of training 250 crewmembers, at $40,000 per crewmember, the invested cost for 250 crewmembers is 10 million dollars. If you fire the Gemini guys, UPS has to hire and train 250 pilots. On the flip side of the coin, if the Gemini guys can't hold the MD-11, then you end up paying the training cost anyway.
I'm not familiar with the Challenge deal, it just seems like a waste of money to retrain additional crews.

I can't Figure this out. Most are upset because of purchasing an airline and bringing on their pilots then most are upset about letting go pilots of the airline you bought. Which is it?

Didn't Challenge have something like 4 757 pf"s? Most of their pilots were 707 and DC-10 pilots. Why should UPS have kept them? I'm sure if UPS did the IPA would be calling customers and telling them that they are being replaced.