2nd Year Widebody W-2 at Fed Ex?
 

I know guarantee and such for a year 2 widebody first officer, but what can one realistically expect to pull down once off probation? Trying to weigh some decisions.... Gracias amigos.

Nice to have choices
 

What's to decide?? Apply, if you get a job and rather be somewhere else, continue looking.;)

Thanks for deflecting my question. It's a serious one, but I'll admit if FedEx hired me I don't believe I would leave (except for UPS maybe).

lots of what ifs to that question, but a 2 yr FO in ANC on the MD-11, flying primarily international trips, can easily make 130K without flying any overtime.:)

Thank you Boxhauler! My neighbor told me he made $122,000 in his second year and I didn't believe him. You know how pilots like to exaggerate ;) That's really amazing. Again thanks.

Yeah.............and have No other life to speak of:(

He must be a slacker <G> . . that’s the number he probably told his wife.

130,000 2nd year on A300, with some international.

My 2nd year at UPS, all international, was 80ish. Hope to catch up to you on this new contract of ours- next year, who knows.

Here's a question, does anybody actuall get to enjoy any of the money? With your flying schedule?

Sorry to highjack the thread. I'm a college student and a student pilot looking to get into the airlines. I have been wondering this and this would be the perfect time to ask. Why is it that Fedex and UPS pays their pilots a lot? Is it because it's hard flying? Do they have a hard time finding pilots? There must be a catch for getting paid over 100k your second year.

The question not asked
 

[QUOTE=Fly4Free] ..........I have been wondering this and this would be the perfect time to ask. Why is it that Fedex and UPS pays their pilots a lot? Is it because it's hard flying? Do they have a hard time finding pilots? There must be a catch for getting paid over 100k your second year. [/QUOTE


Let me answer the second question first. Because of the rapid growth in flying to China in recent history, coupled with the necessary increase in widebodies (at Fedex), and decrease is norrowbodies (727's going away) new hires are moving into the widebody earlier and earlier in their careers. Soon Fedex will hire directly into the right seat of all its widebodies. :D
Pay rates for widebodies are greater than narrow (for a given seat position) and, (presumably) when the rates were agreed upon, no one really believed that any pilots on the property less than 4 or 5 years, let alone first year, would be payed at these rates.
The first question suggests to me that you are either unaware of the pay scales at the legacy pax carriers a couple of years ago, or, as some posters suggest, pilot pay in general is (too?) high and why would any one pay a freight pilot more than (a real :p ) passenger pilot?
Fedex and UPS did not start out paying the top scale, its just that the benchmark of airline flying (capt, widebody, UAL, Delta NWA and AA) the pay the industry and media like to quote when telling all how overpaid we are, it has gone down while we have remained static. Both Fedex and UPS are in negotiations for contracts that ended well over a year ago (two in the case of UPS) and pay that has (relative to inflation) decreased or at best remained static, for the better part of ten years.
The question not in your post is, "why has airline pay at the top airlines eroded so much". We are not making more (although I would agree, it is a most excellent time for a young airmen to start at Fedex) they are making less.

Come on Skyhigh I'm waiting for your response:rolleyes:

The catch is you have to spend 10 years active duty in the military or spend 100K in costs for ratings and lost earnings flying for peanuts at the regionals. I am worth every damn penny and more! Fly for free? Hell no, and I do not apologize for it.

Fly4Free.

I think as a college student making over 100,000 sounds like a great thing, and it is. But, there are points to remember about the industry in general, some of which the above post already has covered. It costs more to make it to a major airline today than it would cost to become a Doctor. We are required to maintain a 1st class medical every 6 months. We are evaluated(ie. job on the line) twice a year in the simulator, and once a year in the airplane. Many of our pilots are out of the country 2 weeks out of the month, and fly over holidays, kids birthdays, and other family dates that are tought to miss out on. At Fedex and Ups where do you think most of the profits come from.... Air freight. That freight does not move without us in the seats.
I think a more appropriate question would have been, why with the economic status of the airline industry are the top execs paid sooooo much while those that actually drive the profits are paid so little. Look at the airlines that continue to wash money down the drain, but the CEO gets 15 million at the end of the year. At Fedex that bonus is paid to more like the top 20 execs.
The biggest reason Fedex pilots are paid over $100k the second year was covered above as well, I just want to force the point home. Fedex has a much, much larger percentage of wide body aircraft. In fact the only narrow body airplane we fly in the 727. Hence, chances are greater here than other places to make it to the wide body quicker, and make a LITTLE more money.
I do not know where you are going to college, and I wish you success, but do not think we are overpaid. Compared to what everyone else at Fedex is making, I think I am well UNDERPAID.

2nd year Widebody W-2 at FedEx
 

Can you make that kind of cash (according to APC's FedEx payscale and other testimonials on this thread) as an FO on the A-300 domestic routes? I mean strictly flying the A-300 here in the states and being home every night? Does such a situation exists now?

Really, Fly4Free...you're either incredibly naive or trying to stoke the flame bait fire (and with one post to your credit, not very unlikely).

By the time you get to second year pay at UPS or FedEx you've been at this gig for quite some time. It's not like we're talking about your second year out of college. I didn't earn more than $30,000 yr. as a pilot 'til I was 28. I think your perspective is skewed.

And insofar as dckozak's response, it sounds to me as if you're making excuses for second year pay being what it is on your wide body scale:

"...when the rates were agreed upon, no one really believed that any pilots on the property less than 4 or 5 years, let alone first year, would be payed at these rates."

What's your point?

EDPM

Yes you can. But hopefully under a new contract it will be more.

Second year 130K, 20th year (or more) 200K. Not much of a differential for 19 years. My point is widebody FO rates look good (as would 2nd year capt rates;) ) if you are lucky enough to hire when such a seat progression is possible. I doubt Fedex management would have agreed to the widebody rate (early years) on the last contract if they really believed anyone would actually fly that seat position (in such an early point in ones career). Just MHO.:D

Thanks for the replies. Now it makes more sense. I guess I didn't think about the pay cuts of the legacies. So if there is a benchmark for airlines to follow as to the pay and position, what about WN? They get a lot more then the standard 737 driver.

Can you make that kind of cash (according to APC's FedEx payscale and other testimonials on this thread) as an FO on the A-300 domestic routes? I mean strictly flying the A-300 here in the states and being home every night? Does such a situation exists now?
A 2nd yr FO on the A-300 will be sitting reserve, not holding a line. So if you live in MEM you might be home MOST nights. What airline can you fly your schedule and be home every night. other than FDX am/pm out and backs. But you will make more than 100k fer sure!:)

This number sounds really high considering what is published about Fedex's payscale. This sound more like 5 or 6 yr pay.

This number sounds really high considering what is published about Fedex's payscale. This sound more like 5 or 6 yr pay. 2nd yr WB FO base pay 117 ( figure 1000 pay hours) plus intl override ( 4.50 per flt hr), plus intl per diem (2.65 TAFB). should be about 130K give or take a couple. So i was talking about what a FO in ANC flying intl only could make. gonna be about 120k flying domestic. This is just based on my own personal experience.

Overall our schedules aren't that bad, notwithstanding some horrible pairings we're forced to fly. Most guys with some seniority can get 4 or more weeks off in a row 3 or 4 times a year.

I will have to verify the above. I recall at least once a year, being able bid right and get 5-6 weeks off in a row. It is not unusual to get a month or more off every 2-3 months. But, it takes seniority to get the lines you need to be able to do it.


Actually, if you can get over staying up all night, it was a pretty great career. . . and once you turn 60 you can sleep all you want.

I have to agree with Drew. It takes more than just a little seniority to get the big blocks of days off frequently. You have to be able to bid and hold schedules that work at the beginning of the first month and at the end of the second month.

Vacation months also factor in with regard to time off. If you work it right you can parlay a two week vacation into 4-6 weeks off. I've been doing it for years even as junior as I've usually been.

Ranger and Drew, I was speaking for UPS. I'm not a Fedexer, unfortunately.

I've been at UPS less than 2 years and have never held a line. Right now I've got 23 of 26 days off (11-off, 3-on, 12-off). Just the way it worked out.

Not so unusual in my experience.

Tipsy

Are you smokin dope? I wish I know who you were. I'd black ball your ass sure as anything.

I guess they let just about any 4th Grade educated nimrod get a pilot’s license these days? But, then again, I guess most Marines have a hard time with grammar and sentence construction, too. :p

How would you go about black balling someone, fecav8r?







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He is probably on the President’s ‘electronic surveilance’ team. He ‘knows‘ that I spend the whole day on the computer :D His name is probably ‘Bruce’. (opps)

It must be the Patriot Act :confused:

I would think it would be as easy as filling out an online pilot recommendation form and then slamming him. I can't imagine it ever happening, but I would think that just one bad rec would probably outweigh three good ones. At the least, it would raise some eyebrows in the M&G when they pull it up!

EXACTLY it works

How very proud you must be.

I wouldn't know. And I don't plan on ever finding out. I'm hope I'm never paired with you. I'd hate to be blackballed for something.

Exactly, what a jerk!

Now, wouldn't you need the guy's Social Security Number to do that? Or have they changed things so you can file recommendations under AirlinePilotCentral screen names now?



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all about money
 

It sounds like it's all about the money, fedex makes the same as ups but
with much better work rules(quality of life). Also if you think you can walk
up and get hired at fedex good luck. Go to UPS

Ranger, You're telling me that if you found out the biggest scum bag in your former squadron was applying at FedEx and convinced someone who didn't really know him to sponsor him that you wouldn't do everything in your power to prevent him from coming to fedEx. I would hope you would. If not, that's how we end up with the some of the accidents we've had in the last 4 or 5 years. By the way, if I could prevent that, I would be proud. We keep telling mgmt that we are worth a big pay raise and better work rules/bendfits. I just want to give them the very best product for their money.

How totally inappropriate. You're implying that the accidents were caused by scumbags, and there could be nothing farther from the truth. How fortunate you must be to have eluded an accident yourself.







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