New DW message
 

I was so completely disgusted reading this. All I kept thinking was "you did this DW." Here are the excerpts that made me want to throw up.

"The MEC is acutely aware of the impact this excess will have on some of our members and is advocating as many alternative solutions as possible to management."

yeah...well aware because you caused them. nice work.

"Our contract provides substantial flexibility for circumstances such as these while at the same time establishes that any significant sacrifice should be shared."

yeah...I'm sure the NDs will be doing a lot of sacrificing for the junior dudes.

When I finished reading it, all I could say was "Dude!":mad:

I just want him to admit that using his position as MEC chairman, he successfully argued for additional legal rights for some members beyond what anyone else with his level of influence was asking - and that those legal rights are harming the career expectations of the rest of his members. Further, they are now adding to the training costs of Fedex and thereby harming the company - which he claims to be so worried about - responsible for the paychecks of all of us.

Senior mentality...
 

I was flying yesterday with a very senior, female, calender blocker the other day, and was telling her how it was going to suck if I get excessed of the Bus, and her reply was, "yeah but this is affecting all of us, I probably won't be able to hold my PM Out and Backs anymore..." I was like are you kidding me??? I may be losing 40 bucks and hour and all you care about is your PM out and backs???? :mad::eek:

How's THAT for solidarity and feeling the pain... I heard 2 NDs at the AOC the other day with one talking about wanting to sell his house in the CONUS so he could move to his other one in the Cayman Islands, and they were mad about the price falling out - guys, these guys are not on the same planet as us junior dudes with the company - they could care less if we all got the boot.:mad:

her initials weren't mz were they?

BINGO!!!!!! We have a winner!!:)

Sharing the pain
 

Does anyone know if DW and the gang have gotten their contractually guaranteed 98Hr BLG's reduced by the same amount as us? Wouldn't that be the right thing to do?

They make me want to puke...SG

In her case, I can understand it. She has a lot of cats to feed!

She's hot!!!!

I liked this part of the message:

"The stagnation in the growth of our airline and the retraction of our market is unprecedented."

Funny, there was no mention of lack of retirements nor upgrading ND S/O's as part of the problem.

lol didn't realize that was her, first and last time I will be flying with her...

Ya kidding...it's their right, err, the 'right thing' to do :rolleyes:

Actually, I thought DW's message was reasonably to the point, just about a year too late and without the observation of what affect the AGE 65 (and RETRO!) has had on the problem .... but it was the "right" thing to do AND the train was about to leave the station ... yada ...yada ... yada ...

Just checked open time --- was surprised to see any left after DW mentioning eliminating carry over and overtime.

What is overtime? I assume if he meant draft/volunteer he would have said that. Cap and Bank, I hope not. Unless furloughs are imminent.

looks like DW will be in MEM Friday nite, sure wish I could be there to show all my love and support. Should be interesting.

7/32/and another NO

"The stagnation in the growth of our airline and the retraction of our market is unprecedented."

Retroactivity......................**** DW and go away!

Or should I have said "Shut the truck up DW and go away"???

Details please??? I'd like to be in attendance.........

With any luck he'll say he's resigning.

DW needs to leave ASAP.....

Wonder if he will have any friends with him? Lord knows the guys he protected will be home sleeping.

Tell her your cats will starve since you won't have money to feed them...then watch her reaction!

I hope someone there has the stones to call him out on the effects of his retro push.
I will not be able to attend.

What did your union do in regards to the "retro push"? Or are you simply talking about them pushing for the law to be changed?

This message would have been completely right on target had it come out a year ago. Way too late now boys. Now we all get to pay for age 60 retro and a lousy FDA LOA.

DW was the one who introduced the retro language in ALPA's position. It really didn't affect any other major ALPA carrier other than NWA and they voted against it.

Dream on. DW's reign of terror has one more year to run.

I don't want to spoil your lovefest with DW, but retro was in the original House and Senate bills. The Oberstar/ALPA language that replaced the original language just made it more clear for those who have trouble with lawyer-speak.

I hate to rain on YOUR parade, but DW discussed his role in retro at a hub turn meeting and verified it was he who initiated the verbiage. He was glad to take credit for it too.

But maybe I'm just letting facts get in the way of good story.

DW may be responsible for the Oberstar/ALPA retro language, but that doesn't change the fact that retro was in both the Senate and House bills (S.65 and H.R.1125) that were made moot when Oberstar but age 65 in the FAA Reauthorization bill, which was subsequently passed as the Freedom to Fly Act when FAA Reauthorization stalled.

Can't you just retire Roberto? Get a life!

Very good point...I think its time for someone to suggest an amendment so that if we are affected by a BLG reduction then the pay for the MEC Chairman (whomever that is), is reduced to the same.

You are wrong.

S.65 did not allow retroactivity for pilots who had left the company, but apparently would allow it for those who became instructors or SOs.

HR.1125 did not allow retroactivity for anyone who had reached age 60 prior to the effective date. Even if they were still with the company as SOs or whatever.

But the larger point is that without DWs intervention, we would not have SOs returning to the left seat.

Wanna bet?

I guess it would be possible to debate this untill gambler's anonymous intervein's, however, the greater point is; DW has lost the confidence of the membership and is therefore no longer an effective leader of our MEC. In these critical times it would seem we need a leadership the rank and file can get behind. DW is not that leader and should "do the right thing"

Here is the applicable language from S.65, which was identical to the language in its companion bill, H.R.1125

(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age...

(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).



The sentence beginning with "The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority..." is translated in plain English to mean that the change in the age by itself does not provide a basis for a claim of seniority...

However, depending upon one's collective bargaining agreement, there may be a claim.

I cannot speak for FDX's contract, but the UPS contract did provide the necessary and sufficient basis.

1800-BETS-OFF

Roberto,

We all know that you are our resident Age 65 expert. This is not our fight - it is for the FDX pilots and their MEC. No need to keep bringing up details and opinions on something that is so emotional on all sides...

we interupt this thread for a voice of reason... how refreshing....


thanks, you can have roberto back now, we're done with him.

we now return to you to your regularly scheduled flame fest.... :o