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JayDee 06-19-2008 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 407777)
It easier to just call you a complete and utter D0uchebag


Well then ust toss me in the boat with him...

I have three seperate cousins that are meth addicts... Each of them started for their own stupid reasons. I know what counseling they go through, and I can tell you it is complete bullox.

What happend to taking ownership of ones mistakes? Im not talking bout drugs per say, but everything. Has society gone so far downward that we start blaming everything on genetics? I mean the Rk43 gene may be a link, and by the way, I have degrees in the field, Dont bother to lecture me, but it is certainly not the answer... These so called patent genes are at best misnomers. They are an easy way out. And for an someone addicted, it can be the reason they need to keep doing it.... The whole, Im fat due to genetics thing... Why try to excersise, genetics says ill always be fat, never mind the mcdonalds you eat every freaking day.

Im not saying she wasnt a good person. And it is a sad story, however, Albie made a point, she was an intelligent woman, and she made choices knowing hte outcome.... I feel for her family, but not for her.

The whole make you bed, and sleep in it saying applies.

navigatro 06-19-2008 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by JayDee (Post 407788)
Well then ust toss me in the boat with him...

I have three seperate cousins that are meth addicts... Each of them started for their own stupid reasons. I know what counseling they go through, and I can tell you it is complete bullox.

What happend to taking ownership of ones mistakes? Im not talking bout drugs per say, but everything. Has society gone so far downward that we start blaming everything on genetics? I mean the Rk43 gene may be a link, and by the way, I have degrees in the field, Dont bother to lecture me, but it is certainly not the answer... These so called patent genes are at best misnomers. They are an easy way out. And for an someone addicted, it can be the reason they need to keep doing it.... The whole, Im fat due to genetics thing... Why try to excersise, genetics says ill always be fat, never mind the mcdonalds you eat every freaking day.

Im not saying she wasnt a good person. And it is a sad story, however, Albie made a point, she was an intelligent woman, and she made choices knowing hte outcome.... I feel for her family, but not for her.

The whole make you bed, and sleep in it saying applies.

Perhaps you should get a degree in spelling.

DeadHead 06-19-2008 06:37 PM

Some things are best left unsaid! That is my point!

JayDee 06-19-2008 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 407791)
Perhaps you should get a degree in spelling.


Typed quickly and in the dark... Besides, everyone is a critic.

dojetdriver 06-19-2008 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 407646)
Charmed life? Super genetic speciman? You obviously don't know my family or medical history.

You don't know mine either. And I seriously doubt you had the SLIGHTEST clue as to the person's in the article.


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 407646)
I'm a guy who gets up greatful to have a medical and happy to be able to walk. I value my life too much to squander it with drugs. I think a lot of addicts simply overlook the value of what they already have. But sorry if my "internet persona" has let you down.

So am I. I never said it "let me down". Just didn't seem like the Ablie that has posted here and elsewhere for years.


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 407646)
You get what you see with me--and those who've known me longest will tell you that even if you don't like what I have to say I'm not going to lie to you or sugar coat what I have to say.

What a coincidence, I suffer from that same trait. Kinda funny though, somebody saying something with that trait to another person with the same trait and they get all sensitive about it.


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 407646)
If this was your family member--I'm genuinely sorry. If you are hurting from a loss--I wish you the best. There were victims here--the family. But this gal--IMHO--wasn't a victim of society. She made bad decisions, failed to use available resources, and left a lot of pain and misery in her wake.

Agree with your last statements here completely. Doesn't mean anybody needs to stomp on her grave and criticize decisions she made that all of us would not have. Crap happens, and sometimes it happens to people we would never have though it to. Too bad some just can't leave it at that, as well as learn lessons from it.

crewdawg 06-19-2008 06:53 PM

Tragic.....I feel terrible for the family that has to deal with the death of a loved one.

Since we're discussing addiction, how can one become addicted to something they have never tried? Everyone makes mistakes in their life but seriously, if you never try the $hit in the first place you should never become addicted, right? It's really not that hard to say no, unless your just one of the kids that just have to fit in! If you don't have enough sense to say no to drugs, that you know has ruined some many lives, then I've got nothing for you (not that what I think matters anyway).

JetPiedmont 06-19-2008 06:54 PM

Seems a long time ago now, but the old mantra for solving personal problems used to be "personal responsibility". And taking personal responsibility is like a lot of other habits, skills, and abilities in that the more you practice it, the better at it you get. After a while it becomes almost like a reflex. "Oh, I did that to myself. Better not do that again!"

Some choices are bigger and pack more punch than others. Choosing chicken instead of beef isn't like choosing crystal meth over having a beer, but getting into the habit of taking responsibility for your choices and their consequences makes it easier to see in a more serious situation who's really in charge and who's going to pay for a bad decision.

Life is full of both easy and tough decisions, and if you're not already in a position of personal responsibility when the tough ones (temptations) come around, you'll be more likely to go the self-indulgent, instant gratification route.

filejw 06-19-2008 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Albief15 (Post 407526)
Only sad if she was junior to you.

We got a lot of tragedy in the world--disease, accidents, and some just darn bad luck. Meth addiction, however nasty, isn't one of those things that sneaks up and shows up on a recurrent physical or an MRI. We are blessed in this world with getting to make some choices, and drugs...especially meth...is a horrible choice. Those educated enough to fly DC-8s around the world were probably aware of some of the downside risks.

Drugs do destroy lives. But unlike cancer, furloughs, accidents, or being a victim of crime, drugs don't come out of the dark and sneak up on us. We abuse them willfully.

Sorry if I'm not a ray of sunshine today. Three friends killed in plane crashes in the last month, and another little gal I know killed in a car wreck. I don't have enough tears or sadness to share with junkies today...

Maybe if it was your sister or mom you would think different.. and don't kid your self it could happen to one of yours...

frozenboxhauler 06-19-2008 07:25 PM

What a waste. Rest in Peace.
fbh

Albief15 06-19-2008 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jaxman187 (Post 407762)
Albie,

This is the first time I ever thought typical "Eagle Driver" about you. I apologize for asking but, did you have trouble shaking the pain killers after your back surgery? Was this story too close to home?

I am looking forward to your next introspective, witty and informative post.

On the first part...ego may be an issue with me at times, but drugs aren't. After 4 days in a groggy haze I decided I would rather hurt than sleep 23 hours a day (the primary side affect I saw from Oxy and the other crap I took. As a matter of fact, somewhere in my house is 3/4 of a prescription for one of those (not oxy...one of the less powerful ones..)

On the second part...I'll try...but no promises.


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