Yeah I was thinking that too. I'd hate for the bad guys to find out what kind of belt I'm wearing and how good of a deal it was. [/sarcasm]

 

You beat me to it........

 

(Details) Offer to buy your HK....

Some people can be soooo negative, but a pistol can be sold between private parties with minimal hassle. That said - I strongly recommend you involve a FFL or Local Gun dealership for the transfer to alleviate any possible liability under the law .

I will happily provide for your review: a copy of my airline ID, CCW permit, and a FLETC graduation certificate, and my FFL information.

If there is someone who does not plan to exercise their HK discount, I would like to buy one or two. $100.00, paid direct to you.

 

1) Everyone is different, I carry the DA/SA version of the USPC.. if you have ever used it the thumb safety is natural to pull down in one sweeping motion and the trigger pull is perfect each time (much like a 1911- that's how it was designed) The DA pull is heavy yes, but not heavier than the DA pull of the LEM. Not everyone likes manual safeties... the Glock was designed with this im mind, however the glock safety is more for peace of mind than application as you have to pull the trigger to fire the weapon anyway.

2) If you read exactly what I said before you'll see that I was refering to the "second trigger on an empty weapon"... FTF (failure to fire) is much like an empty weapon (which is its true DAO, the Glock is a SAO and does not have this feature). I'm not sure if you know exactly how the LEM works but here it is step by step:

The LEM light action system uses a two-piece hammer arrangement such that when a round is chambered (by racking the slide) the lower, unseen part of the hammer is brought to full **** position and the hammer spring compressed. The hammer “spur”, follows the slide forward and the pistol appears to be “decocked” but the pistol is still in a 90% cocked condition.
When you shoot, as you pull the trigger the hammer will come back to the full **** position. As you reach the release pull weight, the trigger will release the hammer and the pistol will fire. If you hold the trigger fully to the rear as the pistol cycles the next round, you only have to let off the trigger .3 inch to reset the trigger. At that point the same amount of trigger pull weight, except for the long take up, will fire the pistol again. You will notice that after the pistol fires the hammer will be in the full **** position if you did not release the trigger, but as you release the trigger to reset the trigger, the hammer goes forward about 1/3 the way. After reset, as you pull the trigger again the hammer comes back again to full ****. If you release the trigger all the way then the hammer will go all the way forward into the “decocked” position, but remember, the hammer spring is still fully compressed and ready to fire and will do so with a light, but long pull of the trigger. The hammer spring cannot be decompressed without pulling the trigger so if you wish to do this, there had better not be a round in the chamber!

The LEM also has repeat strike capability. If for some reason the pistol does not fire, and you wish to try to ignite the round again, you do not need to rack the slide to pre-load the hammer spring. You only need to pull the trigger again which will fully compress the hammer spring and release the hammer. However, starting from the fully uncompressed hammer spring condition the pull weight will be between 11 and 13 pounds, similar to the DA pull on the non LEM USP/C. After the round fires or you rack the slide (which pre-loads the hammer spring), you will again have the light LEM pull.


The intent of the design is basically a pre-loaded DAO, which uses an longer initial pull as a "safety"... this is of course an almost cocked DA/SA...since when the round is cycled it compresses the hammer spring just like a SA.

 

I think what you are asking is not legal. I do not think you can buy a gun with the intent of selling it to someone else. I do know you cannot sell to someone else in a different state. Also, this is a good deal given to us by HK why mess it up for the rest of the pilot group. If HK finds out that some crew "members" are doing what you are asking they may shut down the program for the rest of the pilot group. Here is a link from the NRA site discussing gun transfer laws. http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60

Do not be the kind of guy who screws up a good deal for the other crews.

 

You are correct. The person that buys the gun with the intention of selling it to another person would become a "straw dealer". Its a Federal felony.

TH1

 

Anybody know if this thing is legal for a non-FFDO in the People's Republic of Kalifornia?

 

Actually this only applies if the person receiving the weapon is otherwise prohibited from owning it. However, the BATFE has been known to be rather enthusiastic about prosecution without all the requirements for a violation being met. Even if both parties are as pure as the driven snow, it is something to be cautious about. Since there are over 20,000 Federal, State and Local gun laws on the books it is easy to run afoul of a local or State law even if you are not violating a Federal law.

"The records kept by FFLs also enable the ATF to trace firearms recovered by LEAs to learn when those firearms were purchased and by whom. According to the ATF, less than 5 percent of firearms are used in violent crimes by the person who originally purchased the gun from an FFL. Guns used in violent crime are generally acquired through a secondary market of traffickers and "straw purchasers" (individuals that buy firearms for prohibited individuals).20 Nonetheless, tracing is a significant investigative tool because it can provide investigators leads to the subsequent purchaser(s) of the firearm."

 

The weapon is legal in the People's Republic...
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

It is sold with a 10rd mag specifically for CA regs.

Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

-this website will give you the items needed to get a transfer of the weapon to a FFL near you

 

All of this good info, notwithstanding, THIS is the weapon I would want to be packing when push comes to shove: YouTube - AA-12. World's deadliest shotgun!

You folks are VERY helpful with the good information. Thank you.

Now, does anyone know what is necessary for someone who has no plans to CCW (local Sheriff does not believe in the 2nd Amendment) -and lives in The People's Republic, where very few elected officials believe in the 2nd Amendment.

I just want to buy one to keep at home. What is the process to get the qualifying paperwork? - I have never looked into it. I am gun savvy . . took the NRA 'Safety' course as a youngster. Hunted growing up, carried one on missions -Retired Navy Pilot, airline pilot - don't have as much as a parking ticket on my record.

Any help? Thanks in advance.