UPS - vacation question
09-01-2008 | 09:38 AM
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09-01-2008 | 09:41 AM
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"At the crewmember’s option, he may request, after his bidline
is awarded but prior to the adjustment period, a positioning or depositioning
deadhead that would keep him on his original trip that does not transit the
domicile. This deadhead must be in compliance with the parameters
identified in Article 13."
We already lost the grievance on this (as we seem to lose all arbitrations). You may request to be put back on your trip was supposed to mean that you would request and they would have to put you back on with a commercial positioning flight. The company decided it meant you could ask, but that they wouldn't have to do it, so they don't. Crewmembers option doesn't mean what anyone with half a brain thinks it would mean. Grieved and lost.
is awarded but prior to the adjustment period, a positioning or depositioning
deadhead that would keep him on his original trip that does not transit the
domicile. This deadhead must be in compliance with the parameters
identified in Article 13."
We already lost the grievance on this (as we seem to lose all arbitrations). You may request to be put back on your trip was supposed to mean that you would request and they would have to put you back on with a commercial positioning flight. The company decided it meant you could ask, but that they wouldn't have to do it, so they don't. Crewmembers option doesn't mean what anyone with half a brain thinks it would mean. Grieved and lost.
09-01-2008 | 09:46 AM
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We need to have someone negotiating/writing language for our contract that knows how to write thigs that will hold up in an arbitration and stop this constant reclaiming of ground by the company after negotiations are finsihed. Contrary to what JM would have you believe, it does not happen everywhere. Our lawyer is a loser.
09-01-2008 | 10:38 AM
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We need to have someone negotiating/writing language for our contract that knows how to write thigs that will hold up in an arbitration and stop this constant reclaiming of ground by the company after negotiations are finsihed. Contrary to what JM would have you believe, it does not happen everywhere. Our lawyer is a loser.
I beg to differ ... it has happened everywhere else that I have been in the past.
Just not as frequently, and/or successfully as I have witnessed here ... FWIW
09-01-2008 | 10:41 AM
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We need to have someone negotiating/writing language for our contract that knows how to write thigs that will hold up in an arbitration and stop this constant reclaiming of ground by the company after negotiations are finsihed. Contrary to what JM would have you believe, it does not happen everywhere. Our lawyer is a loser.
If I recall correctly, the negotiation committee that was originally in place was working from prior grievences under the 98 contract to eliminate some of these issues. New administration decided a different tactic was in order.
09-01-2008 | 12:28 PM
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Thanks for y'alls inputs, I'll give the union a call when I get a chance. Again, I'm trying to educate myself for the future as I know I won't get a Pacrim trip anyways...
"... You may request to be put back on your trip was supposed to mean that you would request and they would have to put you back on with a commercial positioning flight. The company decided it meant you could ask, but that they wouldn't have to do it, so they don't... "
767pilot - I see your point - in this case if they were to assign me to some domestic flying for the remainder of the week I still get paid for whatever my original Pacrim trip would hold, correct?
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09-01-2008 | 01:56 PM
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From: Doggie
"At the crewmember’s option, he may request and be provided, after his bidline is awarded but prior to the adjustment period, a positioning or depositioning deadhead that would keep him on his original trip that does not transit the domicile. This deadhead must be in compliance with the parameters identified in Article 13."
But for 3 missing words ...
09-01-2008 | 04:58 PM
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That is the issue. You find much larger airlines with many times more pilots than we have (or used to when we were smaller and they were bigger) that have a fraction of the grievances and system boards that we do, and where the union occasionally wins a big case.
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