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09-27-2008 | 08:27 AM

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I like it becasue I don't have to be bumped off multiple seats just because someone wants to fly a widebody. Some of our most senior folks were dc-8 or 727 captains when we still had them and they were happy.

09-27-2008 | 08:28 AM

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Missing the sim you are going to have to do pre-trip to Shanghai for currency, so, it will be a 5 or 6 day trip to Shanghai for 33 hours

Hmm? You expect 3&3 before every trip? Twice, three times a month. In any case that is a F/O problem. Captains should never have to go to the sim to stay current. Look at the bright side, you may be senior enough to fly it if the rate is the same as the MD11/A300.

09-27-2008 | 08:32 AM

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The tiered pay scale by aircraft type is a tradition. It is supposed to ensure the most senior maintain a pay premium over the less senior. A reward for years of service, I guess.

At FDX, it's a concept closely related to the protection of carryover.

Tradition is strong in the Navy, I mean FDX.

09-27-2008 | 08:34 AM

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Hmm? You expect 3&3 before every trip? Twice, three times a month. In any case that is a F/O problem. Captains should never have to go to the sim to stay current.

You need to learn what the plan is for the 777. Sim before fly.

09-27-2008 | 08:38 AM

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It wasn’t that long ago that there was talk about increasing the MD-11 rates to get the more senior pilots to bid it.

09-27-2008 | 08:42 AM

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So a 777 pilot should be compansated the same as an RJ pilot?

IF UPS wants to start flying RJs w/ cargo doors (think BAE 146s in Europe....) That's fine. Pay me the same to fly them. Don't subcontract them or buy the little company that flies them if/when it violates Scope. Don't make any mistakes the legacy airlines made. Any way you spell it, it's a loaded question so I give you a loaded reply.

09-27-2008 | 08:43 AM

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Let me guess.

You are a senior FO or junior CA. Longevity around 7-11 years. Probably hired much younger than the retired military crowd. Sound about right?

Not only wrong but, dead wrong.

09-27-2008 | 08:53 AM

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They won't use UPS pilots to fly that size aircraft, they will subcontract the same way they do with the feeders in ONT, SAT, EWR, etc..
The mistake the majors made was trying to get the small airplane pay to the large airplane pay disregarding the revenue production.
This started when the DC-9 grew from the -10 to the -50 and the pilots wanted the same pay .

You have a differential pay structure to allow the smaller airplane to remain in the fleet so that a pilot has the opportunity to get on the ladder, the group has an array of choices. The expansion of the Commuter(now called regional) was a response to costs

09-27-2008 | 08:54 AM

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Not only wrong but, dead wrong.

o.k.

Give us some background. What is your perspective? FO or CA? That colors your opinions.

The senior bubbas often work to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.

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09-27-2008 | 09:03 AM

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o.k.

Give us some background. What is your perspective. FO or CA? That colors your opinions.

The senior bubbas always want to protect or enhance their pay at the expense of the junior bubbas. Frankly, I am amazed the IPA negotiated such a junior member friendly contract. I've only heard irritation from the senior guys who feel THEIR money is being given to the juniority.

What colors my perspective is how long you are on top pay opposed to any pay prior to the top.

From what you have posted you are a retired mil coming to the airlines business and willing to accept less pay for the pilots who have spent a career so that you can sit in back and collect your retirement and a pay check.

The IPA was disfunctional , at the EB level, as per the mediator and our Ex Marine Corp General President. The contract passed with a percentage in the 56% range.