1st...we never said the JOB was that bad.
2nd....we said we were run by idiots who couldn't get there heterad out of their a$$ in running this operation. When you have anywhere from 7-30 years invested in a company, you might want to see if the mgmt learns from its mistakes and changes direction in a way that presents a better future...they didn't and we lost.
3rd....I know that there's been a HUGE hiring boom at the legacy airlines and fedUps these last few years. Which one do you think would have been the one to go to.
4th.....we have several folks that have left for UPS and some who are in the pool. Others of us have fall backs if it ends the way its looking.

Excellent analysis of the situation. I see you've been an APC membere since fall of 2008 . Have you been flying that long as well?

Great post. FDX is the only winner in this whole mess.

I respectfully disagree. What's up LJS? In a stealth fashion you've turned from a half-full to a half-empty type of person.

As previously stated, the true losers are the DHL ground workers. Unfortunately they'll be paying the full price for DHL management's mistakes.

The winners are both Fedex and UPS as they'll be dividing most former DHL customers amongst themselves; remember a customer means all revenue and not a portion of the revenue which DHL would then be paying us for serving their customers.

The other possible winners MIGHT be ABX and Astar IF the DHL chooses to keep them over an agreement with UPS, we don't know how that'll play out yet.

However, both in the short run but especially in the long run it's a huge win for both Fedex and UPS as DHL will no longer be able to undercut their domestic shipping products.

To say that FDX is the only winner here is equivalent to a lottery winner say something like "well, the guy who won last week won more money than I did so therefore I actually lost." In my view that's an illogical, inaccurate and fatalistic way of looking at things. Just my ¼ €¢.


PS. I sincerely hope and pray that all DHL employees affected by this restructuring will recover from the turmoil very soon.

wow. Wasn't it you that was on here a few weeks ago arguing that UPS should not preferentially hire Astar and Abx guys if the deal went through? People are losing their jobs and you are crying about some lost growth? Was it "smart business" that led to Deutsche Post's acquisition of Airways and Airbourne which of course led to the pilot groups becoming acmi contractors? Just be glad that DP acquired them and not UPS. After all, UPS is a public company now. Nobody knows what the future holds.

I'm sure someone will correct me soon but I believe the total percentage of publicly traded UPS shares is very tiny, I think less than 20%. The vast majority of those shares are still in the hand of the company.

As I said in another post Lil J, the jobs were gone either way. Courtesy of the DHL/UPS deal. The deal UPS initiated, based on congressional testimony. It went far above and beyond the FedEx talks in scope. And ashamed? You've got to be kidding. I'm part of a small pilot group that made one of the biggest waves in years in the industry. I'm proud of all of our guys/gals, no matter what happens to us in the end. We fought hard, and kept our dignity intact, instead of rolling over and dying. Which apparently by your post is what you think we should have done. I'm sorry if you're worried about being furloughed, (I seem to remember you mentioning being junior in another post somewhere.) but this is all out war, in case you don't realize it. Good luck! I have said before, I don't see how UPS is going to furlough anybody off your list. I sincerely hope not, as I have several friends who work at Brown.

Speaking of ATI and Cappy (sister companies to ABX) - don't forget about the BAX Global system out of TOL. They will be the last to have the 'ugly' freight niche. I'm sure they'll get at least a small piece of the pie (you know, the really ugly and hazardous freight that UPS and FDX don't want anyway).

Who knows?? I'd like to think that maybe these sister companies might get some of the ABX aircraft and maybe be able to put some of those pilots to work... IMO the only important thing is keeping a roof and food for all of those pilots/workers who will be out on the street during some of the toughest times in our day.

p.s. - i'd rather be on furlough at FDX or UPS than be out on the line with almost any other aviation company in the world right now!!! the long term perspective...