"we need to impliment an open time ban immediately - before peak"

That would be illegal, and a very bad idea...

I'm all for an open time ban, if we furlough, and in compliance with the contract. I'd even be in favor of reducing guarantee a bit if it could be worked out (I think Fedex has something like that in their contract). But any sort of wildcat open time ban could be a disaster for the union.

 

Management has the same viewpoint as the IPA, furloughes are costly and are a last resort. Hard to imagine a company that makes a billion a quarter is in the last resort scenario.

I've found in twenty years of airline flying, if it's not in print, or in the bid package it's a rumor fit for bar room discussion, along with fish stories, and tales of ex-wives.

With all that being said, if you're in the bottom 200 like myself, it doesn't hurt to pay off credit cards, conserve cash, and limit large purchases. No one could have predicted oil to go to almost $150/bbl, nor could anyone forsee it's tumble to nearly $50/bbl on a handful of months thereafter. For those of us to forsee furloughes carries the same merit for inaccuracy.

FF

 

I've been on an open time ban since I was hired. I guess I'm a non-conformist.

There's nothing like sitting reserve at home for 2 weeks, not getting called, sitting at home (or wherever) again for 2 weeks. Repeat. Repeat. Go to simulator for currency.

Repeat entire cycle.

Strangely, I don't get bored sitting at home and earning a paycheck. I can live on that min paycheck and don't need any extra income. Of course, I don't live on an airstrip, own an airplane, own a sportscar, or have any expensive hobbies outside of my (one/only) family.

 

You and me both, brutha. In 3.5 years that I've been here, I have never picked up a JA or an open time trip. Being on the -8, the only time that I have ever gone over guarantee was when I couldn't drop a rsv week on my vacation and they had to pay me.

 

I've been reading the forums for quite some time. A lot of gouge out on the market ... some good, some bad. Many interesting discussions and insight into our industry and profession.

I don't want to stir the pot, but guys that brag about what they don't do, don't have or haven't done are just as bad as the one's that do brag. The one thing I have learned, everyone has a "story." Some are from good/bad choices, others are from good/bad luck. I never try to judge, for I have not been in their shoes.

Hey, guys want to pick up time on their days off and run themselves into the ground, have at it! Open time ban ... all for it ... when the contract calls for it.

Our number one priority now is to unify ... look at all the unions around us. They are falling apart because they are at each other and constantly pointing fingers. Everyone needs to vote and support our EB.

 

Furlough is a union term. Since our name-tag wearing boys (and girls) are non-union by choice, are they going to get furloughed or simply let go with no rights for call-back?

 

Chey--

I like your view and live by this as well. Unfortunately we have some guys who can't survive without the extra $$ due to over extending themselves. Others just don't have a life outside of flying and UPS thus choose to work, I feel sorry for them.

 

How many times have we heard this cliche:

"Get a life" is an originally American idiom and catch phrase usually intended as a taunt, to indicate that the person being so addressed is devoting an inordinate amount of time to trivial or hopeless matters. The phrase has also appeared as a generally more emphatic variant of the taunt "get a job"[1] and implies the addressee needs to go out and make their way in the world, without being supported by outside sources such as parents or benefactors. It may also be directed at someone who is perceived as boring or single-minded; suggesting they acquire some other, more practical interests or hobbies and get dates, find a job, or move to their own house.

It was also applied to so-called workaholics and others who are perceived as dedicated to their work (out of "labor of love" as opposed to money or loyalty to the company) but not taking the time to relax or enjoy life.

Sometimes the phrase is used against people who are viewed as officious or intermeddling in someone else's affairs. It is another way of saying "Get your own life", or "Stay out of my business." WIKI


I say do what is best for your particular circumstance and fret not about the other guy. How many of us can truthfully say our choices are better than another's when the final score is totaled? Choose your own way without feeling the need to defend it.

 

Jungle--

Never claimed my lifestyle choice is any better than yours or anyone elses. Just stating why some choose to work more than others, I certainly don't fret about anyone else here at Brown.

 

[QUOTE=jungle;505367]How many times have we heard this cliche:

"Get a life" is an originally American idiom and catch phrase usually intended as a taunt, to indicate that the person being so addressed is devoting an inordinate amount of time to trivial or hopeless matters. The phrase has also appeared as a generally more emphatic variant of the taunt "get a job"[1] and implies the addressee needs to go out and make their way in the world, without being supported by outside sources such as parents or benefactors. It may also be directed at someone who is perceived as boring or single-minded; suggesting they acquire some other, more practical interests or hobbies and get dates, find a job, or move to their own house.

It was also applied to so-called workaholics and others who are perceived as dedicated to their work (out of "labor of love" as opposed to money or loyalty to the company) but not taking the time to relax or enjoy life.

Sometimes the phrase is used against people who are viewed as officious or intermeddling in someone else's affairs. It is another way of saying "Get your own life", or "Stay out of my business." WIKI


I say do what is best for your particular circumstance and fret not about the other guy. How many of us can truthfully say our choices are better than another's when the final score is totaled? Choose your own way without feeling the need to defend it.[/QUOTE]

Jungle,
There is certainly truth that their among our own who live beyond their means. It is a wise person who lives within their means. You take to task one who states they live within their 'guarantee' means. That is beneficial to all. Especially one whom belongs to a union. Many of us witnessed the challenges the two week 97 Teamsters strike caused to those among us who were living within their means and those who were not. Guess who needed mothering and offers of financial assistance to prevent them from considering the alternative to honoring the picket? Guess what their general habit patterns were prior to the strike?
I only ask that one is principled in applying your last sentence. The contract allows OT/JA. No one is really opposed to this contractual benefit to manage certain life events. However, depending on ones company, yes, some choices can be totaled as better than others. Flame me for making a judgement call <g>