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JollyF15 12-16-2008 02:40 PM

Bid X is not the problem
 

Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 519815)
Well too bad FedEx IT culd not spend some time addressing the real problem instead of spending man hours and dollars on this stupid fix.

The good thing is it really is not that great of a fix. Ever try to buy tickets on TicketMaster where you have to enter a word and numbers. The characters look funny for a reason, so a program can not recognize them and enter them for you.

I only hope that the authors of the programs spend a little of their man hours and automate it again. It can be done. I know I am asking them to give up there free time, but I would like them to poke FedEx in the eye with the stick and then maybe FedEx will address the real issues.

Someone out there is smart enough to do it and the bots will be back at work again soon. Ifr they are available to the masses or not who knows. I certainly appreciate the work that was put into making BidX a valuable program. If one guy can do it on his spare time absolutely no reason FedEx can't fix it. Management lurkers are you listening?

I really don't think Bid X is the problem, or even Majic---it's the dudes that are refreshing open time multiple time a minute or even second. That's what's been kicking the server in the ARS. I don't view this as a huge pain in the rear, it's just not that hard to type in 6 number to put in a trip trade.

USMCFDX 12-16-2008 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by JollyF15 (Post 519866)
I really don't think Bid X is the problem, or even Majic---it's the dudes that are refreshing open time multiple time a minute or even second. That's what's been kicking the server in the ARS. I don't view this as a huge pain in the rear, it's just not that hard to type in 6 number to put in a trip trade.

I agree but now parts of BidX do not work. I also would like to see the multiple refresh work again, and I am sure it will for some as this 'control code' is not too hard to defeat with a bot.

Cujo 12-16-2008 04:00 PM

My question is...who does this really help? Is the company really trying to even the playing field (pilot-wise, open time pick-up)? Why would they care if pilot x gets 120 hrs (many hrs from open time) and pilot y gets 72 a month. There has to be something in it for the company...a savings? Or it could be just bandwidth and it's causing other servers to crash

jagplt 12-16-2008 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo (Post 519948)
My question is...who does this really help? Is the company really trying to even the playing field (pilot-wise, open time pick-up)? Why would they care if pilot x gets 120 hrs (many hrs from open time) and pilot y gets 72 a month. There has to be something in it for the company...a savings? Or it could be just bandwidth and it's causing other servers to crash

I'm not sure they really care who fly's what.

Look at the issue of guys sitting reserve for 15 day's and any trips that come into open time are picked up by non reserve pilots racking up 140 hours in some months. 20+ guys sitting reserve getting paid, flying done by guys flying over BLG and getting paid for it.

So I don't think it's a big issue to them. But like you asked.. what's in it for them?

Jetjok 12-16-2008 05:23 PM

It is in the company's best interest to "spread the wealth" or at least, "spread the flying", over the entire crew force. Otherwise, you'll have guys approaching the magic 1000 hours in a year, and thereby jeopardizing their usefulness as crewmembers. Other than that, the company would also prefer to pay guys time and a half (or even straight time) to fly open-time trips, rather than filling those trips with reserves. The company loves the flexibility that all those reserve guys gives it.

JJ

FlybyKnite 12-16-2008 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by JollyF15 (Post 519866)
I don't view this as a huge pain in the rear, it's just not that hard to type in 6 number to put in a trip trade.

But did you also notice that you will have to put in a NEW code each time you refresh the screen like when you encounter the old VIPS Server Busy. That will become, how you say, 'huge pain in the rear'. . . quickly. The 'pain' also affects Trade w/OpenTime, Drops (trips & R-days), and Trip Specific Makeups. The only 'good news' is that if you fat-finger the code, it doesn't erase your input, just gives you a new code to enter.

Another tidbit is that you can no longer do a right mouse click in any of the above mentioned bid line adjustment windows (right click shows shortcut menus for going forward and back and opening new tabs/windows). Not sure why this is part of the 'fix'.

bluejuice 12-16-2008 06:33 PM

2 very easy solutions to the "bot" problems:

1. In the open time screen, add 2 more columns for the open time output, one which says "Time Entered" and the other that says "Num of Pending Requests".

If you submit an open time request and see a great trip, but notice that it came into open time 20 minutes ago and has 10 number of pending requests, chances are you are not going to submit a trip trade and your are not going to update open time 2000 times in the next hour waiting to see if the trip is still there.

2. If caught using an automated bot program and you are not present at the computer, you will be in violation of the company computer security policy and subject to disciplinary action. Disciplinary action could be anything such as open time suspension for a period of time or something similar.

Security is a very big deal in the computer industry and shouldn't be taken lightly.

USMCFDX 12-16-2008 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by bluejuice (Post 520081)

If you submit an open time request and see a great trip, but notice that it came into open time 20 minutes ago and has 10 number of pending requests, chances are you are not going to submit a trip trade and your are not going to update open time 2000 times in the next hour waiting to see if the trip is still there.

Absolutely no need for this fix it is already there. Just make the trade real time when you submit. Either it works or it doesn't. There is no need for a scheduler to hit enter so it can execute.

bluejuice 12-16-2008 06:42 PM

True, but the company will never relinquish this control. For instance, I saw a trade come in one time, instantly submitted for it, and was denied. I noticed a buddy of mine got the trip, so I called him and he said the scheduler gave it to him for IOE.

With that said, I am reasonably sure that there are many other reasons why schedulers are involved in trip trades a well.

AerisArmis 12-16-2008 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by bluejuice (Post 520092)
True, but the company will never relinquish this control. For instance, I saw a trade come in one time, instantly submitted for it, and was denied. I noticed a buddy of mine got the trip, so I called him and he said the scheduler gave it to him for IOE.

Isn't that a foul? Should've been given to you, then bumped for IOE. What say the experts?


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