FDX - The 68%'s have doomed us all!!!!
 

As a 32% of mass hysteria, I would like to state that the new power DW has can doom us all. If I read it right in his latest Chairman message...we are about to get hit by the train! There is no time for a LOA...I want to throw the BS:mad: flag right now! Please call you reps right away and tell them to not let anything happen with out it being brought to the membership. This is a complete cop out by our union leadership. I don't care if they have special info that we don't have, we all need to see it before we take it in the shorts.

Good point! I'm grabbing my ankles for this latest bit of representation from our leaders. I'd call my rep but I'm not sure who it is, my base IS but isn't closed.

Here is a question, can anyone (the union) come out with some numbers of how much we are saving by the fuel sense stuff in addition to the everyday savings we are responsible for but not recognized?

C'mon man get real.
 

We all get it, no one likes DW, he may not even like himself these days, but that doesn't mean that people should stop using their heads. The company has things it wants, things none of us are probably interested in. They are more willing to take it from us too if we decide to let our frustration over DW and the MEC distract us from things that have nothing to do with that. Yes, I say that full well knowing that he brought us Age 65 retro among other things. They are trying to test our hearts and minds, please at least read what was written and think for a minute. Or at least remember that the only unilateral powers DW has relate to the 2nd FDA LOA which this is far outside the realm of and are limited in scope in the first place. Let's not play ourselves here.

That's not something the union should be putting out publicly right now, and if you look at recent events, it's not something we should be discussing at all in any way shape or form on any public forum(and that includes the ALPA boards).

They already talk about it in RGS. Last I heard we're saving the company over 2 million bucks a month in Fuel Sense. They buyup is costing them 1 million. That's a 1 million net we're saving them. With fuel costs going down, I'm not sure what impact the good will of the pilots will or won't have. But, it's not up to me when to start the APU or when to add gas. If it were, I'm sure my opinion on the matter would change sometime around February 01.

Ok, lets put that out when we have pilots on the street...

I only see a problem with the statement of "without member ratification". Sounds like they want to avoid furlough to a strong degree, whats the problem with that?

We ask that you refrain from engaging in the “blame game,”

Ya, because then you'd realize DW is to blame. Hmmm, let me think, how could we have ended up with an overabundance of pilots on the property? Couldn't possibly be anything to do with DWs involvement in that legislation that went through last year.....nahhh.

I never said it was a secret, just that neither we nor ALPA should be talking about it on any kind of forum, e-mail, etc.

FF,

You're making my point for me. I suggest everybody read this, think about it, and **** about this on these forums, emails or anything like it.

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=44168

Sometimes collectively we're so smart, we're stupid...

(sarcasm on)

You guys are being WAY too hard on DW and his mustachioed cronies. They have worked too hard to give up their draft, volunteer and CARRY-OVER. They deserve to make 150% of what the majority of the crew force makes, and they shouldn't give that up, by gum, by golly. We (the junior folks) have much more time to make up any "temporary" loses suffered through more BLG reduction and/or fuurlough. Heck, it builds character!!

(sarcasm off):mad:

Are you kidding? First, if you can truly follow and understand all that garbage, more power to ya. Not to mention the time involved in reading that 'legalese salary justification' Bull***t. Second, the intent is not to do anything to cost the company more money but to bring public light to the measures we are already going to to save money and our jobs/lifestyle.

No, I'm not kidding and yes I can understand what it says. It is bull, but it's also the reality of the times we live in. I understand the legitimate reasons that you may wish to hear/talk about this info, however none of us can control some of the other stuff that will inevitably come from 4800 people talking about it-especially if something negative goes down shortly. If you actually read that document, it wasn't just the mad posts on forums that caused all of the drama. There were several legitimate communications by ALPA and on forums like these that were twisted by lawyers into something that they weren't and rubber stamped by a judge. The public is not our friend in such matters for many reasons.

Angry,

See pm!

Whale

Well, I'd say of course Mgt can do what they want while we grive. But they can kiss fuel sense, two engine taxi, delayed APU start and who knows what else good bye during the process. Just so I understand. Our company is making 2 BILLION per year and the buy up is costing 12 Million. So the way to save .05% of annual earnings is to go to war with the crew force so they can reduce our pay?

Or maybe again the Mgt on Democrat is out of touch with the strategic goals of Hacks Cross.

Rubber stamped by an anti-labor judge alright. No consideration given to pilots actually being tired or aircraft not being maintained properly. Since when is refusing a waiver to the contract wrong? A nasty, concessionary contract to boot. It's clear to me that right and wrong are not being considered in these types of lawsuits. Only a contention that labor was doing something different and it needed to be stamped out by the law.

Any words written about modifying behavior during a disagreement will be held against us because it is in the public and company interest to do so.

Have fun with the blame game all you want, just don't let it lead you to make a bad decision.

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
don't cut your nose off to spite your face
live in the now

F.I.D.O
Forget It Drive On

So.... I'm confused....

You want a LOA to be put to a vote?

Didn't we do that with the FDA LOA?

By the title of the thread, it seems you didn't like how that went....

As long as you don't forget the best "we are gonna get" LOA was improved at least three times because it had to go to the membership instead of getting rubber stamped by a 12-0 vote.

Uh, it was management that said there is no time for a LOA. Not DW.

This, in spite of the fact that the MEC has had a furlough mitigation proposal ready to go for several months.

Why don't you re-read the Message. Is this what your reffering to?

"""""Unfortunately, the informal discussions this week revealed that management desires to have their union pilots sacrifice much more than the other employees. Additionally, notwithstanding the fact that we have been trying for a year to get them to begin to address this issue incrementally, they insist there is no time for a LOA and member ratification process. """"""


Looks to me like he's saying "They insist there is no time for an LOA". "They" being the company...

What a great start to 2009 -- Goodluck to all!

If one more pilot is to be excessed or even furloughed, DW needs to not only resign, but retire. He took something from every junior Capt., FO and SO that was not his to give away. He has taken away seats, seniority and security and given it away all by himself. With his "retroactivity'' clause he gave the over 60 crowd a gift at a huge cost to the entire crewforce. It was not their fault that DW did this.

If someone gave you a $500,000 gift that belonged to someone else, would you give it back?

We are going through some tough times right now and everyone needs to do the right thing together. It is hard to move forward, without correcting the past.

And your point is?

Yep, already started tightening the belt. I skipped the Bud Light at Kroger's and bought Natural Light...saved five bucks!

I recommend Keystone Light. Sure, you pay a few cents more than Natty Light, but your palate will thank you!:D