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Gunter 01-09-2009 01:45 PM

This is no longer the company you remember.

FANS cripple 01-09-2009 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jetjok
I guess I don't understand where we have the audacity to demand that guys in flight management "better be feeling the pain like we are."


If a management pilot is a union member, he damn well better be sharing the pain. Which brings up another question - how can a management pilot be a union member and not have that be a conflict of interests? If you can explain that one JJ, I'm all ears.

MaydayMark 01-09-2009 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by skeebo2 (Post 534432)
So if we are taking much more than a 5% pay cut, why would we step up for any extra work? ?


JAN MD-11 Capt RLG (Reserve Line Guarantee for you non-FDX types) = 68hrs
FEB MD-11 Capt RLG = 62 hrs

Looks like a 10% pay cut to me (still have to work the same number of days). Personally, I'm OK with the idea of 1-2 days less pay for 1-2 days less work (line holders) but that's not the story for the Reserve, Flex, Tech Pilots types :eek::eek:

Logs 01-09-2009 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 534606)
JAN MD-11 Capt RLG (Reserve Line Guarantee for you non-FDX types) = 68hrs
FEB MD-11 Capt RLG = 62 hrs

Looks like a 10% pay cut to me (still have to work the same number of days). Personally, I'm OK with the idea of 1-2 days less pay for 1-2 days less work (line holders) but that's not the story for the Reserve, Flex, Tech Pilots types :eek::eek:

And, like we've all seen, some airplanes/seats have even lower RLGs. Looks like any MEM RSV which, at least in the Airbus, has been fairly senior of late, will go back to being junior due to the pay/days worked inequity.

Logs 01-09-2009 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by FANS cripple (Post 534601)
If a management pilot is a union member, he damn well better be sharing the pain. Which brings up another question - how can a management pilot be a union member and not have that be a conflict of interests? If you can explain that one JJ, I'm all ears.

Unlike UPS, where a guy can be hired right off the street into a management pilot position (they, as far as I know, do not hold a seniority number), a lot of (not all) our mgmt types rotate back to the line after a few years. Some do of their own choosing, some have been encouraged to return. I've seen a handful of guys go into the jobs with the idea that the ACP is much like a flight commander or Ops O in the military, i.e. a sh$t shield for their dudes, and found that is not always the case. Guys like SM and RA (and others) have retained the respect of the crewforce with how they deal with the dilemmas they face as "middlemen" at times. Others, like CW, probably not.

PastV1 01-09-2009 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by Logs (Post 534618)
Unlike UPS, where a guy can be hired right off the street into a management pilot position (they, as far as I know, do not hold a seniority number), a lot of (not all) our mgmt types rotate back to the line after a few years. Some do of their own choosing, some have been encouraged to return. I've seen a handful of guys go into the jobs with the idea that the ACP is much like a flight commander or Ops O in the military, i.e. a sh$t shield for their dudes, and found that is not always the case. Guys like SM and RA (and others) have retained the respect of the crewforce with how they deal with the dilemmas they face as "middlemen" at times. Others, like CW, probably not.

So you mean LK might not be respected when he comes back to the line?:D

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE 01-09-2009 03:28 PM


Originally Posted by FANS cripple (Post 534601)
... Which brings up another question - how can a management pilot be a union member and not have that be a conflict of interests?...

I find it sort of ironic that here at big brown we were trying to get our managers into our union... :D

Logs 01-09-2009 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by PastV1 (Post 534626)
So you mean LK might not be respected when he comes back to the line?:D

LK's interpretation/enforcement/marching orders with regard to sick usage/policy have caused maybe a little angst amongst those that have a slightly different interpretation! ;) The guys at ALPA Legal have had some fun with that.

Lonestarpilot 01-09-2009 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 534428)
I believe they got hit with the 5% (+?) cut in management cuts when FWS took his cut. When I went to the sim last month, my instructor was telling me of one of his DO buddies that was whining about the 5% cut. He said he told him to shut up and had better not whine around the school house and AOC, as he had a 96CH guarantee each month as a DO and 5% of that is still less than the hit the crewforce had already taken in the reduced BLG/RLGs over the previous months. Pretty much shut his DO buddy up!

Looks like about 4,000 "line pilots" are going to bear the burden of some clear mismanagement and the wrong employees are taking the biggest financial hit.

AerisArmis 01-09-2009 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Jetjok (Post 534582)
I just think that it's probably better that they stay, to voice their honest opinion, and to help where they can, as opposed to quitting in protest. If that's Koolaid drinking to you, than so be it.

JJ

JJ...there are some notable exceptions, but for many, getting into and staying in flight management wasn't an exercise in "voicing their honest opinions". And for those same managers, "helping where they can", often means helping the company suits enforce their interpretation of contentious issues. We have a perfect example before us now. Sometimes, voicing your honest opinion and helping the pilots where you can gets you the subject line of an FCIF. "Capt XXXX has requested to return to the line and we are now accepting applications for the position of "line pilot bender over". Submit your resume' to YYYYY.


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