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tennesseeflyboy 01-13-2009 06:28 PM

Hmmmm ...............

fecav8r 01-13-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by BoxDawg (Post 537246)
Hey man, I dont mean to scare anyone here. It just seems like common sense that we not pick up trips in open time (above our current months BLG) until we get past this "overmanning issue". If we all contuinue to fly make up (above our BLG) then dont we present a definitive picture of overmanning? I am not in favor of making a list and checking it twice, that is divisive as it can get, just asking peoples opinions on the issue. Settle down.

I just want to make this clear. If you see that I have picked up a couple of trips you are going to do the due diligence and go back a few months and see if I have dropped trips and then add up all the hours I dropped and make sure I'm not going over my alloted time. That's what you're telling me?

coneofconfusion 01-13-2009 06:47 PM

this thread has gotten divisive...

BoxDawg 01-13-2009 06:56 PM

I didnt mean this to be divisive, and I am NOT in favor of "a list", despite those that have already put me on their "#@&^ list" for my simple question. Divisive is what we dont need! I guess that I have my answer, and I guess that we have a majority opinion of "fly as much as we possibly can as long as we can". Duly noted. I am going to go downstairs and go do my MEM hub turn, its a crapper. I am also going to go back to looking at open time to makeup the over 600 hours I have of bank time (mil leave), I just didnt want to screw anyone here by picking up.
BD

coneofconfusion 01-13-2009 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by BoxDawg (Post 537310)
I guess that we have a majority opinion of "fly as much as we possibly can as long as we can".

i don't think that is the majority opinion on this site. i just don't think a list is a good idea. most of the guys on this site will do the right thing....most of 'em!

and good luck with that hub turn...really.

Juniority List 01-13-2009 07:33 PM

As a guy who can only hold reserve, I have noticed that all the sudden, I don't get advanced notice of a trip. I now get a last minute call out to the minute of my trip/stby. A very curious thing indeed. I asked the scheduler why, and he told me that all the open time and A.M standbys were being snatched up in open time. I don't buy it. Or at least the A.M. stbys. Nobody picks those up that I know of.

MajorKong 01-13-2009 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Juniority List (Post 537345)
As a guy who can only hold reserve, I have noticed that all the sudden, I don't get advanced notice of a trip. I now get a last minute call out to the minute of my trip/stby. A very curious thing indeed. I asked the scheduler why, and he told me that all the open time and A.M standbys were being snatched up in open time. I don't buy it. Or at least the A.M. stbys. Nobody picks those up that I know of.

They don't have any A.M. or P.M. stbys in open time in my seat. And being on reserve, it seems that all of the call outs are 1 hour, for trips and airport standbys. What is up with that $hit! Union, we need help.

MX727 01-13-2009 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by coneofconfusion (Post 537166)
drafting for bus capt? isn't that the seat we are supposed to be fattest in?

F/O..........

nosoup4u 01-14-2009 12:00 AM


Originally Posted by BoxDawg (Post 537310)
I didnt mean this to be divisive, and I am NOT in favor of "a list", despite those that have already put me on their "#@&^ list" for my simple question. Divisive is what we dont need! I guess that I have my answer, and I guess that we have a majority opinion of "fly as much as we possibly can as long as we can". Duly noted. I am going to go downstairs and go do my MEM hub turn, its a crapper. I am also going to go back to looking at open time to makeup the over 600 hours I have of bank time (mil leave), I just didnt want to screw anyone here by picking up.
BD

I think that is the problem with deciding what "the right thing to do" is via the forums ...... it ends up being divisive ........ or a lawsuit.

:cool:

FedupFlex 01-14-2009 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by BoxDawg (Post 537310)
I didnt mean this to be divisive, and I am NOT in favor of "a list", despite those that have already put me on their "#@&^ list" for my simple question. Divisive is what we dont need! I guess that I have my answer, and I guess that we have a majority opinion of "fly as much as we possibly can as long as we can". Duly noted. I am going to go downstairs and go do my MEM hub turn, its a crapper. I am also going to go back to looking at open time to makeup the over 600 hours I have of bank time (mil leave), I just didnt want to screw anyone here by picking up.
BD

For those of you who were not on FedEx property prior to 2006, or 1995 for that matter, this discussion is rapidly falling into what Management and their union busting consultants thrive on: we start eating our own! If you ever wondered why your fellow pilots' trip pay codes are sanitized from the pairings, Management enacted that practice to protect their "200 per centers" during our November 1995 self-help debacle.

FedEx pilots are victims of the modern culture that our company helped create: I WANT IT NOW!! We tend to shoot ourselves in the foot seeking instant personal gratification instead of looking ahead for the long-haul, i.e, what is in the best interest of everybody is probably going to help me, too.

I personally have no problem with a pilot doing a M/U trip to make himself whole for pay that was lost previously. The gray area is abusing M/U, (or carry-over, for that matter) to fly extra at straight pay:mad:.

In the meanwhile, my family is adjusting its budget to live on 48/60, and fortunately my wife has the ability to pick up some more work to help out.


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