overmanned?
 

jeez.... thought we were overmanned

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Gotta love it. 25.L.11 says moving R days will not be unreasonably denied....and you can drop R days as long as the forecast permits (25.L.2.b "the Reserve Forecast modeling system" to be precise)

But, no real definition out there and the company often seems to think it's unreasonable that you would even think of moving an R day.....let alone dropping one.

Even though there might be no open trips and MaxOpen is a huge number.

May I suggest forwarding these and other VIPS "DISAPPROVED because Insuffecient Reserves" messages to the PSIT and the MEC Contract Admin folks? Could be good evidince to support the 4a2b grievance.

Random thoughts?
 

I've been on Reserve most of the last 3 years. I've had reasonable luck moving/dropping R days (although it seems to be cyclical)?

There are only 6 MD Capt's on RB (B period reserve) on the 20th, never seen a number that low? If we were really overmanned, would there be LOTS of folks on Reserve? There is ZERO open time! :eek:

I've been told by scheduling that there are very few default reasons in VIPS to deny a trade/drop and they frequently just have to pick a random one (doesn't have to make sense?) in order to deny your request. Example ... I put in a trip trade 3 seconds after open time was released, denied for earlier time stamp? I called and asked W-T-F-O? How is that possible?

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The union needs data to fight this. WE along with the UNION have been very lazy in regards to this scenario. If we all compile this data by date and by crew notification and send it over, we can get their attention (Contract admin). If we just call there is nothing they can do. CRS will tell you that a 5+ year old software program is to blame. The union accepts this as being OK. 5 years ago we were undermanned so the software worked then. Not any more.

Print out the denials, keep trying to drop and trade, and by all means send them to Contract enforcement. They just cant keep saying "there is nothing we can do." It just takes data and someone willing to carry the ball on this one. If the company keeps hiding the open time but keeps denying us R day drops and trip trades, they cant have it both ways. IMHO.

If we're so overmanned, why is management giving guys a hard time for calling in sick?

Other than individual grievance issue involving so called sick call abuse, why do you say that guys are being given a hard time? Just curious as to what makes you make that statement.

One is example is managments unilateral decision to begin issuing "irregularity reports" to a pilot that calls in sick within 4 hours of a trip. To my knowledge, this policy began only a couple of years ago.

Um, there was a solid 2 seconds which someone else put in for the same trip. I would think that was obvious as to how it was possible. Happens alot.

Better get your timing down a little better when you hit submit. :o

... or maybe it was the infamous BOT system in play.

Happened to me once - found out the guy who got the trip had OTP or some other kind of priority m/u over everyone.

But, my denial message didn't say that, it said "earlier time stamp"

Nah, it's been going on for longer than that....

Week before last (before I changed my prefs) I was called 3 times in 4 days for draft ASTBY, B727 S/O. Definitely overmanned.

Anybody know if the union can track calls for draft? I'm getting sick and tired of the company calling my house at 3 in the morning, waking up the entire family, to draft for an airport standby.

I've already selected prefer not to be called in VIPS, I guess now I have to change my phone number.

I can't believe the arrogance of this company cutting our pay, hiding open time and standbys, and then actually calling to draft for a standby.

I can't believe we can be overmanned by 686 and still need to draft all week to fill standbys.

Unbelievable.

I was able to drop all of my R days for Jan. on the first try.

fxdx,

Start clicking sick on your days off so they don't call you. When you get the call from your ACP, tell him, I selected don't call for draft, but this is the only way I can get them to quit calling me on my days off for draft:rolleyes:

HJ

Could you say... 'Im sick of getting called' ;)

NO, the union cant track draft calls unless you send them the data. That is where we come in. We publicly complain but then we dont follow up. Start compiling these events, to include Rday move denials, draft calls, etx.

Just tell them, "Your draft request was denied, insufficient reverves"....it makes them laugh!

It's moving R-days that's the issue. They will let you drop as many as you want. Just another ploy to not pay you.:(

Thats about the funniest thing Ive read on here in a very long time :D