Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Cargo (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/)
-   -   FFDO program in trouble? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/cargo/38237-ffdo-program-trouble.html)

767pilot 03-19-2009 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by JetPiedmont (Post 580854)
Are you that difficult to fly with?:D

Ask Cactus Crew ;)

newKnow 03-19-2009 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 580773)
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...Bob-749336.jpg

Trust me my friend, ALPA and the TSA have a very firm grip on the situation! No worries!

Those microphones need a haircut! :eek:

MX727 03-19-2009 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 580839)
Because it is utterly preposterous to think that Nancy wants to get rid of guns?

She doesn't. She came out and stated she doesn't want another AWB. She wants to stay in power and she remembers what happened the last time when the AWB was passed.

FDXLAG 03-19-2009 08:46 AM

That is why they are going after the ammo this time; their 1st shot was a misfire.

klsfdx 03-19-2009 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 580799)
Why would a cargo pilot want to be an FFDO? Yeah yeah, I know....jumpseaters, couriers etc. However, they're a very minimal risk. I believe the answer is that they like the badge and gun and it is not for any noble reasons.

The reasons are not for public dissemination, nor do they need justification on a public thread. If that doesn't please you; oh well.

jungle 03-19-2009 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by JayDee (Post 580795)
You really like this photo dont you...

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...Bob-749336.jpg

Yes I do. Having recently appointed "Bob" as my Minister of Information, I plan on trotting him out whenever the waters become muddied by conflicting dispatches from the front. He is a rock we can cling to for stability and valuable information during these difficult times. Many of you know him as the "gold standard" for truth and diplomacy.

His bio:Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Droog 03-19-2009 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 580802)
Yeah, you're right Zapata...a gun and a badge is the only reason that I sacrificed my time and money to jump through all the hoops that it took to become an FFDO. The chicks really dig the badge, and I get free dinner and drinks all across the country. It really doesn't have anything to do with increasing the level of security where I work...nah. Dang, there's no fooling you...I'm such a fraud!

I mean, you're right...it would be impossible for someone to stowaway onboard a cargo aircraft, and then attack the crew inflight. It could never happen.

Oh yeah...and a jumpseater would never turn into a psychopath (FedEx 705), and attack the crew with the intention of crashing the plane into corporate headquarters. It could never happen. Well, I guess it only happened just that one time...no biggie though.

I've got a great idea. Why don't we put you in charge of the TSA? You've already got it all figured out...which pilots have noble reasons for becoming a FFDO, and which ones are in it only for the badges, guns, free meals, and chicks (like myself). With your expertise at the helm of this fine organization, I'm sure you will transform it into a lean, mean iron clad wall of security for the traveling public, while ridding the ranks of all us cargo pilot slackers.

Many thanks for pointing this out to the masses here at APC


I would like to say thank you for volunteering! Also, even though I'm not a chick, if I ever met you I would buy you a beer (although before you get too excited, that would probably be the extent of our relationshiphttp://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...ons/icon10.gif)!


Anyway, I have given some thought to this controversial subject, and I believe that I have come up with the ideal solution, at least for passenger airlines (I know that this is the cargo section, but I'll have to work on that one later). My idea is to hand out loaded guns to all of the passengers. Now I know that some of you may think that this is silly, but please bear with me as I explain. Handguns could be issued by the gate agents as the people board the aircraft, or the flight attendants could pass them out (wrapped in clear plastic bags like the headphones) once everyone is seated. The airline could charge a nominal fee for a "rental" (the gun would be returned after landing), and they could charge an additional fee if the passenger wanted to take it home as a souvenir (like those little plastic wings that they give to the kids). Also, the airline could put its logo on all of the guns, which would be great advertising! With this extra revenue, the airline could afford to raise the pilots' salaries. Once all of the passengers were seated and armed, little annoying situations (e.g. unwelcome sexual advances, unruly kids) could be dealt with swiftly and severely. Air rage will be a thing of the past! In the worst case scenario, if terrorists try to take over the plane, they will get blown away by the fat shower curtain ring salesman in seat 17B! Pilots could then just concentrate on flying the plane. Passengers will further benefit if they take the guns home. Not only are guns more fun than the previously mentioned plastic wings, but they are also more useful. Just think how handy it would be to have one of your new airline pistols if you caught your spouse sleeping with one of your neighbors from the trailer park! Or if you went out to the "Quick-Mart" and found yourself a little short of change, you could still walk away with those lottery tickets and a carton of cigarettes! Perhaps the best thing as a result of this policy will be the elimination of TSA/airport security. No more long lines of people waiting to be cavity-searched! And the federal government will save so much money from the elimination of FAMs and TSA at the airports, that they will be able to pay off part of social security (or at least bail out more industries!). http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...ons/icon10.gif

jungle 03-19-2009 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Droog (Post 581084)
I would like to say thank you for volunteering! Also, even though I'm not a chick, if I ever met you I would buy you a beer (although before you get too excited, that would probably be the extent of our relationshiphttp://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...ons/icon10.gif)!


Anyway, I have given some thought to this controversial subject, and I believe that I have come up with the ideal solution, at least for passenger airlines (I know that this is the cargo section, but I'll have to work on that one later). My idea is to hand out loaded guns to all of the passengers. Now I know that some of you may think that this is silly, but please bear with me as I explain. Handguns could be issued by the gate agents as the people board the aircraft, or the flight attendants could pass them out (wrapped in clear plastic bags like the headphones) once everyone is seated. The airline could charge a nominal fee for a "rental" (the gun would be returned after landing), and they could charge an additional fee if the passenger wanted to take it home as a souvenir (like those little plastic wings that they give to the kids). Also, the airline could put its logo on all of the guns, which would be great advertising! With this extra revenue, the airline could afford to raise the pilots' salaries. Once all of the passengers were seated and armed, little annoying situations (e.g. unwelcome sexual advances, unruly kids) could be dealt with swiftly and severely. Air rage will be a thing of the past! In the worst case scenario, if terrorists try to take over the plane, they will get blown away by the fat shower curtain ring salesman in seat 17B! Pilots could then just concentrate on flying the plane. Passengers will further benefit if they take the guns home. Not only are guns more fun than the previously mentioned plastic wings, but they are also more useful. Just think how handy it would be to have one of your new airline pistols if you caught your spouse sleeping with one of your neighbors from the trailer park! Or if you went out to the "Quick-Mart" and found yourself a little short of change, you could still walk away with those lottery tickets and a carton of cigarettes! Perhaps the best thing as a result of this policy will be the elimination of TSA/airport security. No more long lines of people waiting to be cavity-searched! And the federal government will save so much money from the elimination of FAMs and TSA at the airports, that they will be able to pay off part of social security (or at least bail out more industries!). http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...ons/icon10.gif

The strawman can be a great source of humor.:)

FDXLAG 03-19-2009 02:30 PM

I don't know, there would be less muggings of tourists and we would not have to spend as much on incarcerations. I like it.

Worldguy 03-19-2009 02:30 PM

Someone please give Archie a medal. He has been waiting far too long.

Droog 03-19-2009 02:35 PM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 581094)
The strawman can be a great source of humor.:)


Wow, tough crowd here at APC tonight!!!

Droog 03-19-2009 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 581107)
I don't know, there would be less muggings of tourists and we would not have to spend as much on incarcerations. I like it.


Thank you! I never thought of this!

Worldguy 03-19-2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Droog (Post 581110)
Wow, tough crowd here at APC tonight!!!

used to be called flightinfo.com. Flightinfo started charging so here you go...you get what you pay for.

jungle 03-19-2009 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Worldguy (Post 581108)
Someone please give Archie a medal. He has been waiting far too long.

Archie was awarded a medal consisting of the two crossed swords of common sense and righteous indignation, a rare award and he was able to avoid the associated cluster. Wear it proudly!:D

Worldguy 03-19-2009 02:48 PM

Well done Jungle, I knew someone would come through.
Next one is for "Courage", and after that a "Brain", then a 'Heart".
:-)

MD11Fr8Dog 03-19-2009 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by Knots2you (Post 580800)
I would say that it is even more important for a cargo pilot to be armed, for reasons that are obvious to any cargo pilot.


True dat! Just wish it were allowed internationally!:(

767pilot 03-19-2009 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 580839)
Because it is utterly preposterous to think that Nancy wants to get rid of guns?

No, just ridiculous to believe that it could happen.

FDXLAG 03-19-2009 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 581237)
No, just ridiculous to believe that it could happen.


You obviously have never read about the New Orleans Gun Grab. How many more judges have to be changed before the right to bear arms becomes a privledge (like driving)? By my count 1.

River6 03-19-2009 05:49 PM

Don't worry the going to get you're gun?
 
Don't worry they are going to get your gun! You can count on it.

Ban List Is Out
Alan Korwin - Author Gun Laws Of America
GunLaws.com
3-12-9

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady's plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady's current plans and targets of opportunity. It's horrific. They're going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They've made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states' rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).

Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.

Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.

A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.

Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any "semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General."


Note that Obama's pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, "there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.
That word... ANY... does that mean clear back to Flint Locks...???

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn't have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose -- is that devious or what? And of course, "sporting purpose" is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

jungle 03-19-2009 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 581237)
No, just ridiculous to believe that it could happen.


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 581260)
You obviously have never read about the New Orleans Gun Grab. How many more judges have to be changed before the right to bear arms becomes a privledge (like driving)? By my count 1.


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...Bob-749336.jpg

Gentlemen please, there is no need to bicker. A quick check of voting records will show without doubt that none of them are seeking to take your money or guns! You have my word on this!



Locked due to drift and political creep.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:18 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands