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Rambler 03-24-2009 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Piloto Noche (Post 584439)
This makes me SO ANGRY! Someone please tell me where I stand on this issue.

Piloto,

I believe in your ability to make a decision as long as it doesn't involve calling in Fatigued. You will be told by Randy when you are fatigued and right now he is taking a nap - so go back to work.

Rambler 03-24-2009 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by TheBaron (Post 584455)
So you would rather see Congress cave in to pressure from the Teamsters. I'll take Fred over a bunch of union criminals any day of the week. I'm not against our mechanics organizing; they just need to do it on a national level (and preferably with anyone other than the Teamsters.) Yes I was a teamster, my brother is still a teamster, so I can call the crooks "crooks" if I want to.

Why do they have to do it on a national level? Because Fred told you we are an airline? Was RPS an airline? Don't remind me about the RLA - I know! We all love Fred but he went this route to keep unions off property and now the Teamsters are beating him at his game. One thing is for sure, the pilots at FedEx will be screwed over (again) long before any group gets a chance to form a union. Giving up the 777 just seems a complete joke. Maybe we can get those dual engine single prop things to fill the void!

Delco92 03-24-2009 09:39 PM

Fed officials say policies must tackle growth, prices

FedEx Threatens to Cancel Jet Orders - WSJ.com

AerisArmis 03-25-2009 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 584101)
I say let them cancel their order for 777s and we'll be glad to take them ..


Assuming that you don't actually speak for UPS, Id say that UPS can buy 777Fs anytime they want and don't need us to cancel anything to make that decision. If they wanted them, they'd ordered them. Then again, you might really be in on the decision process as you insinuate. In which case, disregard .

Precontact 03-25-2009 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by AerisArmis (Post 584591)
Assuming that you don't actually speak for UPS, Id say that UPS can buy 777Fs anytime they want and don't need us to cancel anything to make that decision. If they wanted them, they'd ordered them. Then again, you might really be in on the decision process as you insinuate. In which case, disregard .

I have no inside information. I do know that you have 777 slots which are in themselves a valuable commodity.

PicklePausePull 03-25-2009 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by TheBaron (Post 584455)
So you would rather see Congress cave in to pressure from the Teamsters. I'll take Fred over a bunch of union criminals any day of the week. I'm not against our mechanics organizing; they just need to do it on a national level (and preferably with anyone other than the Teamsters.) Yes I was a teamster, my brother is still a teamster, so I can call the crooks "crooks" if I want to.

I must agree wholeheartedly!

Unions in general will greatly incresase the cost of doing business. The Teamsters is in reality organized crime! We don't need nor want this kind of disruptive corruption on the property. Can you imagine the disruption when the mob calls for sympathetic strikes as the Teamsters are known for doing? If ALPA endorses this kind of position through the crime ridden AFL-CIO, then I will dump my membership in ALPA. It's bad enough to see ALPA national giving money to the left-wing socialist DEMS, but it is beyond pale to watch them endorse organized crime!

I'm with Fred on this one!!!!!!

Lindy 03-25-2009 05:59 AM

Don't have a copy of the proposed legislation, maybe someone with more time can go to www.Thomas.gov and post it.

What everyone seems to be forgetting here is the fact that this legislation is being written strictly against FedEx (or in labor terms, to permit easier organization at FedEx). The law isn't being written to affect any other corporation.

We know the Congress has this ability -- think AIG Bonuses -- but I think FedEx has the right to defend themselves. When the company was formed, it was formed AS AN AIRLINE.....not as a trucking business. We do not have "cute" commercials calling us a trucking company.

Not to be anti-labor, but when you showed up to work here, you should have known that the company is under the guise of the RLA (Railway Labor Act).

I do not consider this blackmail, etc. Read the law. See whom introduced the legislation. Look at his political backing....and it just isn't the Teamsters.

pdo bump 03-25-2009 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 584592)
I have no inside information. I do know that you have 777 slots which are in themselves a valuable commodity.

incorrect again. the first 15 are still being delivered. fedex only confirmed 15 more with an option for another 15 two months ago. not a "valuable slot commodity" at all.

i guess you might not be "in the know"

Gunter 03-25-2009 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Rambler (Post 584118)
If Congress caves in to the FedEx threat, then our elected leaders are as weak as some of our ALPA leaders!

Of course Congress is weak...in the mind that is.

Look at how Barney Frank and the rest let the mortgage crisis develop as they were charged with oversight. They are perfectly happy they forced banks to lend to families who couldn't afford homes and now want everyone to bail them out. NO MENTION OF CONGRESSIONAL MISDEED.

AIG bonuses, age 65 retro, and the list goes on and on. Congress often targets specific groups of people to hose for no really good reason other than political gain.

Are any of you really surprised business is afraid and planning for more Congressional chicanery?

Congress is not be trusted to do the right thing. We should all be afraid of the Congressional threat.

If you haven't learned that by now, I can't help you.

Avg Joe 03-25-2009 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Lindy (Post 584648)
When the company was formed, it was formed AS AN AIRLINE.....not as a trucking business. We do not have "cute" commercials calling us a trucking company.

Not to be anti-labor, but when you showed up to work here, you should have known that the company is under the guise of the RLA (Railway Labor Act).

Are you saying that because FedEx was formed as an airline (under the RLA) that no matter what the corporation morphs into it should ALWAYS remain under its origin RLA?

An objective observer would acknowledge that FedEx began as an express small package airline, but has expanded heavily into nationwide trucking, LTL, freight, and a complete logistics supplier. Similarly, but conversely, UPS began as a small package trucking company (under the NLRA) but has also expanded heavily into the airline business as well as LTL, freight and logistics. The two corporations look very similar today but operate under two different sets of laws (RLA vs. NLRA). Up to this point, it is generally accepted that FedEx has unfairly benefitted from this. If this legislation passes it would seem to level the playing field. Regardless of its passage, Fred's main concern is maintaining a competitive advantage against his main business rival.

It's sort of intellectually dishonest in a capitalist system to benefit from a legislative disparity, vice beating the other guy because you provide a better product or service. HOWEVER, human nature being what it is and with big buck$ on the line for Fred, if I held the legislative advantage I'd probably be fighting to maintain it also.

Joe


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