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matty 03-25-2009 07:52 AM

If FDX is forced to fall under the NLRA, would ALPA be forced to say "bye, bye" to the agency shop?

Zapata 03-25-2009 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by PicklePausePull (Post 584639)
I must agree wholeheartedly!

Unions in general will greatly incresase the cost of doing business. The Teamsters is in reality organized crime! We don't need nor want this kind of disruptive corruption on the property. Can you imagine the disruption when the mob calls for sympathetic strikes as the Teamsters are known for doing? If ALPA endorses this kind of position through the crime ridden AFL-CIO, then I will dump my membership in ALPA. It's bad enough to see ALPA national giving money to the left-wing socialist DEMS, but it is beyond pale to watch them endorse organized crime!

I'm with Fred on this one!!!!!!

I agree that there is corruption on the national levels of unions. However, the power is in the locals. Also, I'd rather national give money to the labor friendly party than to the right wing laissez faire capitalist repubs.

This country needs sympathy strikes or more solidarity in organized labor and whether you think so or not, you would benefit.

As for FDX attempting to bully congress, I say they're bluffing. Even if they're not, it doesn't make a difference where they get their planes as Boeings and Airbus' are built around the globe anyway.

AerisArmis 03-25-2009 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 584741)
Also, I'd rather national give money to the labor friendly party than to the right wing laissez faire capitalist repubs.

Sure you would. You're the same guy who said ,"Socialism is required for a country to prosper". But what you really mean is, "a labor UNION friendly party", right? BTW, since you post on so many boards, on so many topics, with such a willingness to share your accumulated intellect, how did you ever find the time to become so dog gone brilliant?

Daniel Larusso 03-25-2009 10:21 AM

So what's new besides the 'raison du jour'?
 

If ALPA endorses this kind of position through the crime ridden AFL-CIO, then I will dump my membership in ALPA.
Haven't you been trying to find reasons/ways to dump ALPA for some time now?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...new-union.html

Precontact 03-25-2009 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by pdo bump (Post 584678)
incorrect again. the first 15 are still being delivered. fedex only confirmed 15 more with an option for another 15 two months ago. not a "valuable slot commodity" at all.

i guess you might not be "in the know"

Yes I am aware that the first 15 are not affected by this order. But don't you think that Fred negotiated slots for the remaining 30 rather than getting the final 30 off the line?

Bottom line is Fred knows there's not too much demand for direct service between China and the mainland USA, hence there's no need for 45 777s. He's already deferred them once, so why not stir up a political fight rather than cancel the remaining airframes outright? Why is it that UPS can maintain steady profitability with a unionized workforce of 240,000 out of 450,000 but Fred is scared of unions?

Gunter 03-25-2009 10:58 AM

UPS is bigger and makes more money than FedEx. FedEx is also much more likely to furlough this year.

You won't be happy till you have it all.

purpledog 03-25-2009 11:07 AM


Are you saying that because FedEx was formed as an airline (under the RLA) that no matter what the corporation morphs into it should ALWAYS remain under its origin RLA?
Just in case you don't understand our structure. The Express unit is completely separate from Ground, LTL, Freight etc.. We don't carry their stuff on planes and they don't deliver our stuff on their trucks. The purple and orange trucks are the ones he is trying to keep the Teamsters from because they are part of the airline and mutually exclusive from the other units. We have different sort facilities and entirely different hubs. I think he is justified trying to keep them away from the airline. However, probably can't make that arguement with Ground, Freight etc..

I've always envied the way one guy delivered all the stuff at UPS and wondered why we didn't follow suit. Now I am starting to understand. Method to the madness.

Precontact 03-25-2009 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by purpledog (Post 584828)
Just in case you don't understand our structure. The Express unit is completely separate from Ground, LTL, Freight etc.. We don't carry their stuff on planes and they don't deliver our stuff on their trucks. The purple and orange trucks are the ones he is trying to keep the Teamsters from because they are part of the airline and mutually exclusive from the other units. We have different sort facilities and entirely different hubs. I think he is justified trying to keep them away from the airline. However, probably can't make that arguement with Ground, Freight etc..

I've always envied the way one guy delivered all the stuff at UPS and wondered why we didn't follow suit. Now I am starting to understand. Method to the madness.

Good points...there could be an argument against union representation there, but i guess it comes down to what the affected employees want.

AerisArmis 03-25-2009 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Precontact (Post 584844)
Good points...there could be an argument against union representation there, but i guess it comes down to what the affected employees want.

Right, and the RLA doesn't prevent unions. And if the employees, in the same class and craft, throughout the US want to be in a union, they can. I've got no problem with FedEx employees unionizing if that is what the majority want to do. I just don't want to see something on the order of Air France where 3 different unions represent the pilots. We really don't need Teamsters in EWR, I.A.M. in DTW, an in-house union in IND, none in PHX.....you get the picture.

Pitts S2B 03-25-2009 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by LivingInMEM (Post 584202)
When you have the ability to buy 777's over the next 15 years , you use that ability to maintain an environment where you can continue to maintain that ability.

Three times and still not sure I understand :D Are you sure your not a politician?


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