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04-17-2009 | 02:17 AM

#81

say that again

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From: MD-11 Captain

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Originally Posted by 300ER Hauler

The company has apparently come asking for direct pay freezes and pension freezes as it has done company wide with non-union employees. As far as the charter ops, I don't know enough to speak on this. My assumption is that the margins are thin and that the cycles and wear and tear on the airplanes are worth the contracts offered. How profitable are some of these contracts, does anyone know?

In the past, I might have agreed with your post. Your logic is a bit flawed however when you take into consideration that the CEO has not shared the pain that other non-union groups have endured. Not only has he not endured a pay cut or benefit freeze, he actually got a very hefty pay raise. This demonstrates poor leadership at best but in any case, not a smart move in this circumstance. If you think the pilot group is bitter, imagine how the CEO's pay raise sits with other non-union employee groups. Talk about discontent! Secondly, as mentioned earlier by others in this thread, while the IPA was forced to wait for the contract amendable date and then negotiate for years to get the same or less pay raise that non union employees got without the wait only serves to cement the notion that IPA pilots are not welcome or appreciated around here. I came here 21 years ago with strong anti-union beliefs. UPS changed all of that, rather quickly I might add.

Last edited by say that again; 04-17-2009 at 02:19 AM. Reason: grammar

04-17-2009 | 05:50 PM

#82

300ER Hauler

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From: 757/767 FO

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Originally Posted by de727ups

"I am sorry you feel that way. So much for an open forum. Too bad, I am sure we would get along. Oh yeah, I have managers that are friends too. We can't have that"

and

"I wonder how many of the ACPs have been dispatched to internet forums to convince us we need to take paycuts because our profit dwindled down to just 3 billion dollars.

they are so extreme it's easy to pick out.

They probably log everyone of their anti-IPA post the same way an hourly punches in the time card for the boss."

I would like to suggest that this forum is open to all who wish to post here in a respectable manner. There seem to be some folks who think opinions from UPS management shouldn't be heard at this forum. As part of the site leadership at APC, I can tell you that is simply wrong and incorrect. Everyone can post here as long as they post within the confines of TOS. As an IPA member, I'm embarrased at the content of some IPA'ers at this forum. If you can't dialogue in a respectable manner here, you'd be better off taking it somewhere else. Dot. Period.

I'm an IPA guy through and through. I've been here since 90 and I'm proud of what the IPA has done and become. I'm an active union volunteer. And I have to say that some of the BS that I see at this site makes my head spin and sometimes make me less than....empathic (yeah, look it up), to the UPS haters...

I take great hope in knowing that none of the really junior guys I've actually met have the attitude that the typical UPS haters here show. That allows me to form an opinion outside this forum, which I hope all IPA'ers are actively trying to do.

It's pretty hard to deny that there are some good folks in the ONT APC ranks and some good management folks in the training dept.

Captain, I could not agree with you more. I appreciate this forum and find it a great tool to share and discuss information. I too am blown away by some of the attacks that go on among us. I personally want to apologize to everyone, as I let someone get under my skin.

I will say I am thankful for UPS, the IPA and the individuals that I have the opportunity to fly with. I believe this is a great job and a great company. I have concern for this company and it's continued superior performance in the world market. I want us all to succeed and also realize UPS signs my paycheck.

I am constantly frustrated by many of the short comings of the company but firmly believe that we need not come down to their level. We as a union must set the example for proper behavior, contract compliance and a never ending desire to perform for our customers.

I am impressed by many of our flight managers and realize they are powerless much of the time. They have shared with me their personal frustrations from time to time in not being able to take "reasonable man" solutions to many of the problems we face day in and day out while operating on the line. They are good people carrying out the job they are assigned to do. Saying that, I am glad not to be part of that rat race.

I hope someday that UPS and the IPA will "break the cycle" that we seem to constantly be in. This will take fresh ideas and true leadership from the top down on both sides.