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Gunter 06-30-2009 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 637376)
Of course, that's all fine and dandy on paper. As soon as you arrive late from MEM or depart early from SEA...You're violating FARs.

Aren't you only violating FARs if you go fly the next leg after getting in late from MEM? Smells more like a trip revision (extra time off in SEA or DH back to the planet) and a field draft opportunity for crewmembers who live in SEA.

Busboy 06-30-2009 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 637393)
Aren't you only violating FARs if you go fly the next leg after getting in late from MEM? Smells more like a trip revision (extra time off in SEA or DH back to the planet) and a field draft opportunity for crewmembers who live in SEA.


That's correct. We've had more than one instance of guys not realizing that they need to delay their departure due to late arrival, or not realizing that they can't depart early. CRS will not always alert you to that fact.

LEROY 06-30-2009 06:03 PM

Kinda odd how we DIDN'T dispute these pairings for the June bid month. Isn't that kinda like shooting ourselves in the foot, since June might count toward 3 months of flying them?
I know a guy who had these pairings on his line last month; un-turnable, practically un-swappable, and yes, 8-24 recovery on your days off.
Really crappy trips.
He was sick a lot...

Perm11FO 06-30-2009 11:00 PM

Had a problem child come from the planet to ANC some time ago. Brought the same "they look OK to me and fit my need for days off" philosophy with her. Took a few months, but she finally caught on. Emails, phone calls and cold shoulders at 5 pm on the road can do the trick.

meatloaf 07-01-2009 03:30 AM


Originally Posted by Perm11FO (Post 637793)
Had a problem child come from the planet to ANC some time ago. Brought the same "they look OK to me and fit my need for days off" philosophy with her. Took a few months, but she finally caught on. Emails, phone calls and cold shoulders at 5 pm on the road can do the trick.

I'd say so. She ended up changing her first name in VIPS once the word got out. Then, she volunteered to go to the 727 panel to get out of ANC.

No joke.

onetime 07-01-2009 05:28 AM

Hard Parameters. That's the only way to fix this. Everything else is like putting a bandaid on a broken leg.

HornetFDX 07-01-2009 05:31 AM

And seriously guys, even though MEM is so big emailing these folks DOES have an effect. I do it all the time. It doesn't have to be nasty, just let them know that they picked up a DP (as if they didn't already know) and it lets them know they are not anonymous. Even if only the guys on this thread joined me in doing so it would be huge. Login to the ALPA website/FDX page and click on July Disputed pairings on the right and it takes you right to the trip and who's on it - EVEN if the guy is a calendar blocker.

Start emailing please. Again, 2 more months and we will ALL be flying these unsat and uncommutable trips. Possibly even more important is Albie's point about reserve utilization.

MaydayMark 07-01-2009 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by meatloaf (Post 637816)
I'd say so. She ended up changing her first name in VIPS once the word got out. Then, she volunteered to go to the 727 panel to get out of ANC.

No joke.


MANY non-members have different "nicknames" than their VIPS name. Hmmmm ....

onetime 07-01-2009 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by HornetFDX (Post 636170)
I just don't get it, how stupid are these guys? The company is having you break 8 in 24 and then "giving" you the required rest of 2 x block ON YOUR OFF TIME...unpaid, duh. Pure arrogance on the company's part, and guys are picking them up like lap dogs salivating for a treat. I didn't realize you could be this dumb and still have the capacity to fly an airplane.

Of course the real problem is if we don't collectively put some pressure on these meatheads in 2 more months we will all be forced to fly them.

Unfortunately, putting pressure on DP flyers does not work and will not work. Finding a way to fix the process next time around will prove much more effective in the end.

HazCan 07-01-2009 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by onetime (Post 637885)
Unfortunately, putting pressure on DP flyers does not work and will not work. Finding a way to fix the process next time around will prove much more effective in the end.

It's not a total fix, but it's our best option TODAY. I agree with hard parameters, so we don't have to babysit our dummies. BUT, emailing/calling does have some effect. It's better than nothing.


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