BOYCAPTAIN

we were talking about someone face down on the sidewalk after a night of hard partying!...who was that?

Gunter

I still believe someone may get their underpants in a wad if we supply them with too much information. They may think you are asking for something you aren't authorized and you never know if part of your story (without the all the supporting info you provided) is going to get conveyed to others. My recommendation is to just say you are trying to get home, go on vacation, or see family. In other words, the truth without all the details.

Someone asking questions about our deviation bank may be looking for trouble. I never talk about that stuff.

PurpleTail

R1200RT,

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with what you did and was perfectly LEGAL and within your right. It baffles me at some of the responses you are getting from obvious people that hardly ever commute. When you jumpseat as a non-rev employee you are a standby passenger and the bottom of all standbys listed filling a seat that is was going unused anyway.

As long as you deviated and no revenue ticket was booked (which is what I believe you did) on the flight you jumpseat on you are in the clear. It doesn't matter why your are traveling, what day you travel, where you live or where your base is. Period!

As a long time commuter I would have done the exact same thing as you did. Cheers!

Gunter

No offense Kronan, but this is what I'm talking about.

Even one of our own is wondering if you of left bank on the table. Implying that you probably could have afforded the ticket but didn't spend it.

I think you would have spent it if you had the bank. Why risk not making it home on a busy travel day if you have the bank? C'mon Kronan.....

Best not to talk about it....

MaxKts

What happens when your domicile is your home? Are you not allowed to jumpseat then? If he had been jumping to Little Rock instead of Memphis would it have been OK? Your reasoning does not make sense!

purple101

The reason United has such specific language in their jumpseat policy is beacause they had issues about 12 to 13 years ago. I believe it was Burlington that was kicking back half the price of a ticket if the pilot would jumpseat to where Burlington needed them instead of riding on a paid ticket. United found out and said we are in the business of moving passengers for profit. Why are we helping your bottom line at our expense? Around that time if you were jumping on United you could expect to get questions as to the reason for your jumpseat. If you said "I'm based in MIA but my company needs me in ANC to fly a trip" you would have been in for a rude awakening.

The reason FedEx was black-listed from American was not just because the pilot was trying to jump on the exact same flight as he had a paid ticket. It was because he (and FedEx unknowingly) was trying to get for free something that should have been paid for. American still would have taken issue if it had been another flight on the same day or even a different day. American's issue was that it was FedEx that was requiring the pilot to show up in XYZ and American is in the business of making a profit taking people to XYZ.

You should also keep in mind that passenger carrier pilots do not have travel banks. It does not compute in their mind that the company gave you X number of dollars to get from A to B but you have chosen to catch a free ride. In their mind either you or the company is profiting at their expense.

Think about it this way. If you owned the airline and a guy walked up and said."I am traveling as a requirement for my job and I need to get to XYZ. I was going to pay you to take me there tomorrow but today you are charging to much so I want to go for free.

I am not telling you to do or not to do something. As I said be careful how you verbilize your actions. People's perception of what you are doing is their reality. Even if their perception is inaccurate

kronan

I sure wasn't the one who brought up the bank question, merely addressed the "I spent 440/500 so I'm Mr Wonderful here and don't see the problem".

Yes, jumpseaters have jumped to/from to save $$$ from time to time. Of course, by far the vast majority of commuters who jump to/from a field location to avoid ponying up the bucks do so on FedEx.

And it's not personal when the money's coming out of your pocket, it's business. And deductible off of the taxes.

I would venture a guess that posing this exact scenario to R.O. ([email protected]) would get the you shouldn't have done that answer.

The most I've spent out of pocket in similar situations is a mere 678$. Of course, I'm a rich FO.

AFW_MD11

It's so totally NOT deductible off your taxes.

fedupbusdriver

The bottom line is, I would bet that there will be an FCIF out about this tomorrow. Then you will have your answer. What I was told was that if you were on a pairing that has a DH on it, then you buy a ticket through Corp travel to get wherever you are going. If you do not have enough bank, then you take the scheduled, or js on a fedex aircraft. In any case, I am sure there was no malice in your thoughts or actions, but there might be a phone call in your future.

4A2B

Policy such as this is to protect the FORCED use of J/S travel to further required positioning etc. If carrier X Chief Pilot knows they have reciprocal J/S agreement with Brand X Air, they could "coerce" a pilot to take a JS from say DEN-LAX in order to save the CO money etc.

For the record, all Offline J/S Travel for FDX guys is strictly PERSONAL at all times. I think the issue is being clouded.