777 and ULR flying
10-03-2009 | 07:38 AM
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777 and ULR flying
Does anybody know the real deal on this? I was told that no US airline could fly in excess of 16 hours since the FAR's state that the max duty day is 16 hours.
I know that we have ULR/A380 rules in our contract but what about the fed's?
I know that we have ULR/A380 rules in our contract but what about the fed's?
10-03-2009 | 07:44 AM
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What are the duty time restrictions for international flights?
10-03-2009 | 08:12 AM
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I looked at our contract and it says that the A380 would have been allowed to go up to 23:30 duty for a "double plus" crew.
Can't seem to find in the FAR's how long you can be on duty though.
Can't seem to find in the FAR's how long you can be on duty though.
10-03-2009 | 08:38 AM
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I haven't looked at the A380 as it pertains to ULR but if our contract says we can go up to 23.5 hrs, thats nice, but we don't have the A380. The 777 is just like every other wide body we have. Isn't that why it pays the same....
10-03-2009 | 09:21 AM
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I'm guessing you're FedEx since this is in Cargo talking about 777s.
"§ 121.523 Flight time limitations: Crew of three or more pilots and additional airmen as required.
(c) No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule any flight crewmember to be on continuous duty for more than 30 hours. Such a crewmember is considered to be on continuous duty from the time he reports for duty until the time he is released from duty for a rest period of at least 10 hours on the ground."
I thought I saw FedEx was going to go to Domestic/Flag rules. It gets worse under flag rules, no one in seven, just a requirement for adequate sleeping quarter on the plane and double out rest when you get back to base.
"§ 121.523 Flight time limitations: Crew of three or more pilots and additional airmen as required.
(c) No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule any flight crewmember to be on continuous duty for more than 30 hours. Such a crewmember is considered to be on continuous duty from the time he reports for duty until the time he is released from duty for a rest period of at least 10 hours on the ground."
I thought I saw FedEx was going to go to Domestic/Flag rules. It gets worse under flag rules, no one in seven, just a requirement for adequate sleeping quarter on the plane and double out rest when you get back to base.
10-03-2009 | 02:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure that everyone operating the 777 in ULR ops (CAL, DAL, etc.) is operating under an FAA exemption to the duty limits. That is one reason the feds are anxious to get some new rules in the book governing these operations.
10-03-2009 | 04:21 PM
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I'm guessing you're FedEx since this is in Cargo talking about 777s.
"§ 121.523 Flight time limitations: Crew of three or more pilots and additional airmen as required.
(c) No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule any flight crewmember to be on continuous duty for more than 30 hours. Such a crewmember is considered to be on continuous duty from the time he reports for duty until the time he is released from duty for a rest period of at least 10 hours on the ground."
I thought I saw FedEx was going to go to Domestic/Flag rules. It gets worse under flag rules, no one in seven, just a requirement for adequate sleeping quarter on the plane and double out rest when you get back to base.
"§ 121.523 Flight time limitations: Crew of three or more pilots and additional airmen as required.
(c) No certificate holder conducting supplemental operations may schedule any flight crewmember to be on continuous duty for more than 30 hours. Such a crewmember is considered to be on continuous duty from the time he reports for duty until the time he is released from duty for a rest period of at least 10 hours on the ground."
I thought I saw FedEx was going to go to Domestic/Flag rules. It gets worse under flag rules, no one in seven, just a requirement for adequate sleeping quarter on the plane and double out rest when you get back to base.
10-04-2009 | 07:16 AM
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Doesn't Delta fly from BOM to ATL? Seems like that would be 16+.
10-04-2009 | 10:48 AM
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If you do a Google on this, you will get several articles which came out right after the FAA terminated the new rule.
The bottom line is the FAA allows ultra long flying as long as the company has an agreement with thier pilots and then files for a waiver from the FAA. They treat every company on a case by case basis.
The new rule was going to take the place of all these waivers.
The bottom line is the FAA allows ultra long flying as long as the company has an agreement with thier pilots and then files for a waiver from the FAA. They treat every company on a case by case basis.
The new rule was going to take the place of all these waivers.
10-04-2009 | 11:44 AM
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