tennesseeflyboy

Have not heard much about this but feel that it is happening on a fairly regular basis .................. we got extended out here for a couple more legs and they wanted more, but we are just too tired (fatigued) to do more. I made the FATIGUE call and they wanted to hear it also from the F/O, on the phone. So what gives out here ? I would call the Union about it, and they will give me the standard canned answer ............... it is LEGAL

KDENPilot

Section 25 S 1, the company can revise any trip in accordance with the contract for operational needs. So of course, it's legal. Volumes are picking up and there's freight to move, so it makes sense that there's going to be revisions. As far as having to talk to the F/O also, that makes sense to me, too. Just because one pilot is fatigued doesn't mean the the other is. Personally, I'd be thoroughly ticked off if a captain tried to make a fatigue call on my behalf. That's MY decision to make. No one elses.

Dadof6

I've been hung out to dry solo before, with NO support from the captain when we were both CLEARLY fatigued. So for me, it's a CRM/crew issue--if one is fatigued, all are fatigued. Remember that "Safety" word we use? It looks great on all the posters in AOC, but when push comes to shove, it's remarkably scarce.

kronan

Need to hear it from the FO. ****. Doesn't really matter whether the other crewmember is fatigued or not. Last I checked every FedEx plane needs at least 2 well rested pilots.

If It had been me, would have asked CRS where they were going to get another Capt since far as I could tell, DO isn't going to approve the FO continuing single seat on to the destination. And, by the time they get another Capt out to the field, more than likely the FO is going to be fatigued

FEXFNG

Len, really is that you?
Are you kiddin me. What difference does it make? Make a fatigue call on your behalf? Why would he do that. It's not like you're goin anywhere without him. Man, you take the cake...

buffalosoldier

Happened to me twice in the last two months and once in July. In July got a nasty gram because refused due to military flying next day. Sep and Oct long trips made longer and then re-assigned as RAT trips. Was okay with me for 125%, but interesting that the bid pack has one set of numbers (probably used for 4a2b hearings at the NMB) and the real numbers after all the revisions, RATs and x-pairings which would probably tell a different story. KDEN pilot--it's good to have the voice of management on these forums unafraid and uncut--nice to hear how you all think.

KDENPilot

Nope, not management, but I was on a trip a few years ago where we were supposed to op IND-LAX with a deadhead return, and we got revised to operate IND-ATL with a deadhead return instead because ATL had weather and they needed a crew with more duty time available (we were fresh out of hotel.) Similar departure times on both flights. The captain called CRS and told them "we" were too fatigued to fly to ATL, but not to LAX. ***? You just came out of the hotel and you're not too tired to fly a 4 hour leg to the west coast, but you're too tired to fly 1:30 down to ATL? I didn't find out what had happened until after both of us had been pulled. Needless to say, I didn't appreciate being roped into what I felt was a blatant abuse of a fatigue call. Since I don't seem to have a problem being rested for my trip, yes I DO have an issue with captains telling CRS or D.O. that we're both fatigued, when in fact, I'm likely NOT. I know where my limits are on being too tired to safely operate, and no trip at FedEx has ever come close to pushing that limit. None of our trips are that onerous, in my opinion.

meatloaf

My vote for stupidest quote of 2009.

KDENPilot

Why? Because my opinion differs from that of some of the people on this forum? Or because it takes a lot to make me too tired to fly? More than what this company dishes out, anyway.

MaxKts

Let me guess - "Domestic Diva" and only do day hub turns