Swedish Blender

Thanks for your contribution to the 300. Once again however, all those who will be spanked were not on the property to vote.

Did my record player break?

Now, back to testing Tiger Woods online beta. I'm still waiting for someone to chase me with a golf club.

say that again

Do you really think the outcome would have been any different if they were?
Please don't thank me for participating, it isn't a gift to any group in any form, it is simply a vote to participate in something for the benefit of all of us.

Swedish Blender

As far as the vote, hard to say. But there's the talk of the "sabotage" to the retirement number by certain members of the IPA. I wasn't here, don't know, doesn't matter.

I'm not sure the voters are the ones who prevented a better retirement, or the faction listed above. Personally I would have voted for a better retirement. I'm biased though, I couldn't get to UPS until a family member retired.

Shaggy1970

Dead, Archie is a solid guy and has ton's of experience, maybe even more so than you! He has been through many furloughs and he too will get by just fine! He is not young or a punk, he is old and weathered (sorry Arch) like you, I am sure. I don't think he was picking at you; rather he was expressing his frustration at the stupid dumb bastards that would like to bury their head's in the sand rather than help the common cause! I too am tired of guys making excuses why they can't be a team player! Its voluntary and I know that, but what good is a union when we are faced with a dilemma and a third of the group doesn't want to help! Time for this $hit is over! Make a contribution to the collective cause and make this place better or go to hell as far as I am concerned! Nothing is owed to anyone! We are in this fight together but guys like AVG Joe just don' get it and there are many more in our group that don't either! I wish we could get some leadership at our union, cause what I am seeing is a far cry from that!

Archie Bunker

Well, I did attend public schools.

Perhaps if you could write in coherent English, I might be able to decipher your paragraph long run-on sentence. It's a bit hard to follow.



See what I mean? What list is easily found on the IPA website? The "scab list" that you are alluding to, or a RDG/JS/VLOA award list? These are two different things. Your paragraph/sentence is not clear.



So...there is no scab list. The only "list" on the IPA website is the RDG/VLOA/JS award list, correct? If that's what you wanted to say, then why didn't you just say it?

If I shot the messenger, then you have my sincere apology. In your narrative, you sounded like you were one of the active participants in the discussion at hand.

You stated that you were in the top 500 of the seniority list; did you say anything to your peers to quell their fears about this ridiculous scab list rumor? If not, why not?

You know DT, UPS isn't my first rodeo. This is my third airline after a military career, and I've been furloughed from a major legacy airline already for almost a 3 year stint. I've made my preparations, and I'm ready to be furloughed again. I don't have any debt, don't own any airplanes, boats, mistresses, or have season tickets at Yankee Stadium. I have money in the bank, and my investments are in order. I don't want or need any help from you personally, or from the IPA. I'm only concerned about my fellow pilots in the bottom 300 that aren't in the same financial position that I am.

I wonder how you'd feel if you were in this group with a family to feed, and a full third of the IPA membership didn't cough up a red penny for the MOU. Think about it.

Sideshow Bob

Fair enough. Just know that there MAY well be one or more who want to give but will be looking for any excuse not to. Perhaps they may not be fazed by a post, but a buddy of theirs is...he goes on a rant and that is the final drop in the bucket. I just don't see the upside versus illustrating the lifestyle enhancement angle. I may have actually sold a couple of guys in CGN a couple of weeks ago with the angle of using an RDG to get three months off (or more) using his 5 weeks of vacation in a bid period preceding or following the RDG. He actually hadn't thought of it.

As for naugahyde....I'm there! You just can't buy the atmosphere that stuff makes anymore. If I have a long ONT maybe I'll make the hajj down there and we can regale the glory legacy carrier days.

whalecapt

Your view of those senoir guys is that they have life pretty easy. They may have it easy...now....but you might want to look back at what their lives were like when they started here. It wasn't much different from what you are dealing with in your life today.

The majority came from failed airlines. They had lost their jobs, retirement.....everything..... before they came to UPS. It was a running joke for years that you could not get hired at UPS unless you were already chapter 11 qualified. Yes they walked in here as a captain, at a whopping $61,500 per year, which was about half what the majors were paying at the time.

In addition, with a divorce rate among our crewmembers exceeding 70%, and a family court system that loves to award the divorced spouses of "rich airline pilots" huge payments, the financial drian on many of our senior captains today would make your eyes water.

Yes there are some that are self centered or simply financial idiots, but I have not found that to be the norm.

Night Eagle

I am wondering though what happends to the guy that has four kids and no way to provide. What is the definition of union? Because so far I can tell you that I am not too impressed![/quote]


Don't worry about the pilots with kids the IPA lead by the new president elect BT will collect a stipend to give all the furloughees with kids a box of condoms.

757upspilot

Where did you get any of that from my post?

767pilot

Here I go waiving the BS flag on our EB again-

We had one of our EB guys telling us that we can't out up union information in gateways or our crew rooms because UPS wouldn't let us. Some of our people bought that line, even as I pointed out that we have all manner of union rights and privelages in that area. Well lookee lookee, on tonights IPNN-

IPA Seeks Volunteer to Post Quarterly Communications Posters at Newark Gateway
The IPA is seeking a volunteer to place quarterly IPA Informational Posters in the bulletin boards at the Newark gateway.
If you can assist in this effort, please Contact Mary Finch (right) at ....

Did someone forget to tell Ms. Finch that we aren't allowed to do such things? It is beyond me why the marketing efforts were so slow on this thing. I notice that the push has picked up substantially, but this all happened after the original deadline. I guess that they came out with a new video today, but again, it's after the deadline.

I think that they have gotten on the stick because of complaints here and on the b & g. Sometimes complaining does work. I'm glad that the company came across with some more time and I'm glad we are taking a few better steps to sell the thing. UPS tipped there hand with the extension. If they wanted to furlough, I don't think we would have gotten the extra time.