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Old 12-19-2009 | 08:00 PM
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Any recourse to being booked for greater than 5 hours of block but 3.5 of them on an RJ with no first class? Seems like the company can get out of booking first class by using an RJ. And cannot really deviate because the "first class" ticket is only 400.
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Old 12-19-2009 | 08:15 PM
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There is only one thing worse than trying to deviate on one of those pairings, and that is flying as scheduled. Good luck.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 10:24 AM
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There is only one thing worse than trying to deviate on one of those pairings, and that is flying as scheduled. Good luck.
Doesn't the Geneva Convention prohibit being scheduled on a 50 seat RJ for anything over 2 hours?
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Old 12-20-2009 | 10:59 AM
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there really is no difference between a 50 seat and a 90 seat. One's just a longer tube of pain.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HoursHore
there really is no difference between a 50 seat and a 90 seat. One's just a longer tube of pain.

I get a chuckle out of the "RJ bad" crowd. If it was a much smaller Gulfstream, you'd be dancing in the streets.

I don't like riding in the back of the cramped coach class 50 seat CRJ. But, sitting in first class on the "90" seat version (which is typically configured with 74-76 seats) is not too bad.

Some of the differences are 1+2 abreast seating in first class, vice 2+2 in coach. Also, the floor has been lowered in the larger CRJ, and the windows raised twice, and made larger. Overhead bins have been made larger, twice.

The larger airframe is actually very quiet in the first class cabin, in comparison to many aircraft (mostly do to modern turbofan engines far away in the rear).

Air conditioning / heating is more robust, and better distributed, with automatic controls in the cockpit (50 seat RJ heating / cooling controls were/are really bad).

Obviously, the CRJ tube diameter is fixed at 8'10", so there are limits to its size, and to some degree it's length, like any plane.

However, it's actually longer than a B737-700 (119'4" vice 110'4"), and is only 10' shorter than a B737-800. Obviously, the 737 has a huge advantage in size with a 12'3" diameter.

So, in summary, not "all the same".
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Old 12-20-2009 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I get a chuckle out of the "RJ bad" crowd.

I don't like riding in the back of the cramped coach class 50 seat CRJ. But, sitting in first class on the "90" seat version (which is typically configured with 74-76 seats) is not too bad.

So, in summary, not "all the same".
I get a chuckle out of those who assume all CRJ 90s have first class. Try find it on USAir and get back to us.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 03:42 PM
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I get a chuckle out of those who assume all CRJ 90s have first class. Try find it on USAir and get back to us.

Well, I didn't assume anything. I said they are typically configured with first class, but obviously Mesa (for USAirways) is an exception.

I'd complain.... a lot. On the phone, to anybody who would listen. Good luck.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
Some of the differences are 1+2 abreast seating in first class, vice 2+2 in coach..
Craig comments on your 1+2 seating... and why RJs suck.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 04:19 PM
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Tony, it's not just the cramped ride, it's the pi$$ poor service that comes along with it. I think with the potential for service (package delivery) failures that comes with a crew member not making a flight I would think we are almost to a point where management wants it in our contract to make sure we show up in time for a flight.

I used to fly for a commuter/Regional. There was no question in my mind that people stuck on a Jetream 32 or similar equipment that they were getting a poor ride in comparison to a DC9/737 etc. Maybe the gap has closed a bit but there still is a gap. Just knowing that if CEO's like Johnathon Ornstien, Hulas Kanodia, AMR (anyone of them) Management are around, there will most definitely be a gap.

Fortunately for me it has been two years and counting since I have been on an RJ.
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Old 12-20-2009 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I get a chuckle out of the "RJ bad" crowd. If it was a much smaller Gulfstream, you'd be dancing in the streets.
If it were a gulfstream, there would be 5 people on board and it'd be a direct flight. Not connecting thru PHX on crappy US Air.
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