Heard that Deputy Dawg a.k.a. LK is out
 

Heard that Deputy Dawg, LK, will soon be opting to "return to the line", thanks for his great work, yadda, yadda, yadda....

Any others heard this?

Good news if true.

Except maybe for those who have to fly with him!

Nah... He's just being "refocused" to the line to fly DPs.

I just thought of something...

Is "O" trying to operate this outfit without an XO?

Madness!!

True. Some new ACPs soon.

The company already announced his replacement: JK: former ANC captain, now MEM-based captain and has or had something to do with the ALPA national Pilot Assistance committee (former committee chair, maybe??)

Is LK just no longer the ANC ACP, or is out of management all together? Great news either way!

I hope the FOs LK flys with give him the level of respect he has earned--NONE!

Fresh meat on the yard..........................I sometimes gets scared when they turns off the lights whilst I be sleepin at night Boss

Maybe this is it?
 

International Regional Chief Pilot

FCIF 09-0652 (Admin)
Issued: 12/16/09 0339z
Source: Orlando Rosado
Suspense: 01/15/10
Approved: Orlando Rosado

It is my pleasure to announce the selection of Captain Jeff Kilmer to the
position of International Regional Chief Pilot, effective 1 January 2010.

A 1984 graduate of the University of Florida, Jeff flew the E-2C, A-4 and
AV-8B while serving in the U.S. Navy and Marine Corps. A former Flex
Instructor in the Airbus, Captain Kilmer has extensive international
experience (MD11 Captain in ANC and MEM) as well as experience as the ALPA
Executive National Chairman of the Pilot Assistance Committee.

Captain Kilmer will be based in Memphis and assume administrative control
of our ANC, LAX and HKG domiciles as well as providing operational
assistance to the Director of Operations on related international issues.
Please join me in welcoming Captain Kilmer to this challenging position.

LK,

"Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

Good luck on the line.

Unfortunately, it will be a while before he leaves mgmt. They have to wait for the next new-hire class. It's been so long since he flew the line that he has to go through AOC/Line Ops orientation again. And I certainly don't want to stand in line behind him while he tries to figure out what body part to place on the fingerprint pad.

Jeff is a huge step up from LK. The progression from ALPA union official to management continues though.:(

THATS WHAT WE WANT FELLA'S!!!!!! Good Union Guys in Mgmt......Comprende?????

Wasn't LK a good union guy?

No, no yo comprendo....Are you out of your mind?

Unfortunately, LK is a good example of "good union guys" going to the dark side. At least that has been my experience at previous companies.

So, if you don't want former "union" guys in management positions....What do you want in management? Non-Members? Scabs? Anti-union guys?:confused:

I prefer to take my chances with a "union" guy.

Maybe we should try former management guys in union positions. Can't hurt.

In my opinion....I don't really think it matters where a guy came FROM.

Once they get into a management job, they are obligated to do what the company asks of them in order to keep that job - regardless of their past support of the union's agenda and/or "good dude"-ness.

By definition, the two agendas are in direct opposition to each other - union (pilots) vs. management.

The union attempts to gain more $$$ and better work rules for the pilots - management tries to spend as little $$$ as possible on the pilot group while attempting to maximize pilot workload/productivity.

Management is tasked to punish/discipline/terminate - the union attempts to mitigate those actions.

Management seeks to maximize the parameters in the contract to the benefit of the company - the union seeks to maximize the benefit to the pilots.

In order to keep the management job - the managers can't work outside the contractual parameters and FOR the union (pilots) or they will be asked to leave (return to the line)

So....once they cross the line over to the management position - where they came FROM doesn't factor in any more

until/unless one of two things happens - 1) their morals/ethics become so at odds with what the company is asking them to do that they volunteer to "return to the line", or 2) they attempt to be a manager that favors the union's agenda over the company's, work outside the contractual obligations, and be an advocate of the pilots - so much so that they are asked to "return to the line" (fired)

"good union dudes" that accept a management position are no different than "other than good union dudes" (non-members, scabs, etc.) - if they are different & they don't do what the company wants them/asks them/directs them to do, they won't be in the job much longer.

Hire your strongest opponent
 

Both labor and management are wise if they recruit honest people who formerly worked hard for the "other side". Anyone who feathered his nest by disloyal conduct in the past will probably betray his new boss as well. :(

As a person who was in Jeff K's block when he was block rep under the old FPA, all I can say is I'm not surprised he ended up in management. I believe PC was the Sec Tres then as well. How has that worked out for us so far?:eek:

Like PC.........?

Anyone that thinks PC was a "union guy" needs to report to screening immediately.

No one has answered the question...If you don't want a "good union dude" accepting a management job...Then who, or what, exactly do you want?

I have worked for some former union guys that took management positions, that were at the opposite end of the spectrum of some of the barracudas that FDX management has hired. AFW is right...They cannot work outside of the contract in order to help pilots. But, they can work within the CBA to help pilots.

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. I once worked for a major airline where your ACP was your friend. It was his job to get you OUT of trouble if he could! I wish it could be that way here ... :(

2 thoughts ...

- PC was the negotiating committee chairman (IIRC, PC was part of the clan that put 4a2b in the FPA TA; so he knew it was in there!)

- Wasn't it JK that ran for election as FPA block rep and then, just a few weeks later, resigned (something about spending more time with family, or maybe a flex job). So ... it was like, please, please vote for me ... I'll do my best to represent your interests ... followed by NEVER MIND? He should be a terrific manager!*?

Mark

What airline is that? You'll have to forgive me if I tell you it sounds like a fairy tale.

haven't you heard OR (& LK, etc.) say over and over again that it is their job to enforce the contract?

the only time a pilot should be "in trouble" is when they've broken some rule either in the employee manual or the contract.

so....how could an ACP, who's job it is to enforce the contract (or employee manual) help get you out of "trouble"?

I agree - doesn't sound like any major airline I've ever heard of - how did you end up leaving them and coming to work at FedEx then? why would anyone? :confused:

You mean like, calling in sick? Or bumping jumpseaters? Or, expensing a taxi? Or, calling in fatigued? etc., etc., etc...

Maybe, by not accusing you in the first place?:eek:

that is their job - to accuse you in the first place & then try to convict you - not help you get out of the trouble they (or you) got you into (as in Mayday's utopian "major airline" he worked for scenario)

I was attempting to address that "other major airline"

I attempted to answer your question earlier as well.....as to who would I prefer they hire into management.......it doesn't matter.

Because if whomever they hire does the job they are hired to do....and well enough to stay hired.....their actions/activities are not going to be pro-pilot (no matter what they were before hired into management)

if they are pro-pilot, the company will show them the door back to the line (here at FedEx - not at Mayday's other "major airline" of course.) :rolleyes:

Speaking of back to the line.....
 

Has Deputy Dawg been shown the door? anyone know for sure? or just replaced in ANC by JK?

I disagree with just about everything you've said.

I don't believe harrassment is their job.

I don't believe that being "pro-pilot" within the CBA, is anti-company.

I think who they hire, makes all the difference.

We have had numerous management guys that were very "pro-pilot" and were not shown the back door. We just lost one to brain cancer.

What you are describing is your perception of the current FDX management. And, I think it is accurate to a certain degree. But I would argue that, that culture has absolutely zero chance of changing, until they hire guys with a different philosophy...Which most union leaders have.

I didn't say it was.....you did (or at least you said it is what they are doing.)

we agree.....again.....the statement I made regarding not being "pro-pilot" was in response to Mayday's thing of helping a pilot out of trouble when they had gotten themselves in trouble by (I ass-u-me-d) breaking the rules

I still say any management pilot that established a pattern of "covering for his bro's" or condoning bad behavior would, indeed, be shown the door?

we agree again......I, unfortunately, never met that person - but, it sounds like he was an example of what we would both like to see in the people management hires.

I also think this type of manager is a thing of the past here at FedEx - see my next statement below.

Unfortunately, this is where it breaks down....I would submit that is exactly how the "new regime" in FedEx upper-level management likes it/wants it to be - and they are not interested in hiring "guys with a different philosophy" - in fact, just the opposite.

The management guys from the past who were "pro-pilot" are all but gone and if they have been recently hired (by accident) and they are found to be more "pro-pilot" than desired......they will shortly be returned to the line

seems like we agree on more than you thought......maybe....maybe not

LK demonstrated by his behavior in the AF Reserve, that he was a back-stabbing, predatory manager long before he was in a management positon in FedEx. If the person who hired him into his now-former management position had done their due diligence, I think they would have concluded that he was not the type of person this company needs to represent management. (God I crack myself up.) Either they never vetted him or they did and didn't care that he's the kind of person who abuses his position because he believed that behavior was rungs on the ladder to becoming the SCP.

I don't mind the company's policy of tracking down and discipling those who violate rules and law. I do mind managers who's technique is abusive, deceptive and predatory. I also do mind a company who supports that kind of manager by putting him in the position to carry out his personal agenda. Make clear the difference between corporate policy, and personal technique and individual agenda.

Maybe that is why he is out.

I hope he gets the treatment he deserves when he goes to the line.

MM...I think he actually threw his hat in for the MEC vice chairman job, in the last election, only to pull out later. But hey, if he didn't feel he could give it the time that it required, he did the right thing. JK was one of a handfull in his age group I always thought of as future MEC chairman material, so I am a bit surprised in his career change of direction. However, this could be a win-win. JK has walked the walk and we now have somebody overseeing HKG, LAX and ANC who can relate to you when you are 'splaining what happened. From what I know of him, he's honest and fair and until proven otherwise, I'd say that's what we should expect. Could change and even a honest and fair referee will throw the flag if you commit a penalty, but let's hope we have a pilot advocate in JK. (BTW, our Brown brothers must be scratching their collective heads over this one. An ALPA National Chair goes to a management position at FedEx.....say what???)

I agree with Aeris JK is a stand up guy. I have known him for years and it is great to have him in there. Something is seriously wrong with the system though...

FCIF just posted seeking ACP for ANC.

You can hear the screams of joy from the far side of the world.

My sphincter is still sore from the horror of the last guy. I'm not holding my breath waiting for a statue outside of Ops of the Dawg, but I'm sure JK will be an improvement.

Good news.

Ok Bro.....your talking sense now.......so why this "No, no yo comprendo....Are you out of your mind?" From a previous post. Was it a late night?

I think we'll be happy with the guys he hires!