FDX Block Over 10
01-26-2010, 01:43 PM
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FDX Block Over 10
I think that I remember seeing a talking paper explaining the ins and outs of Block over 10 from the union a while back. I've searched the ALPA sight but cannot find. Anybody have it saved?
01-26-2010, 01:50 PM
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I didn't save who it was that posted this, but here's what I copied some time ago on here:
This could be a very LONG response, but I will try to give you the Cliff notes.
First, you need to determine how your trip guarantee is calculated. If you are on a T trip (the T after the CH in the bidpack pairing) that is the first clue you may be due block recapture. In this case any leg over 10 hours already has the block over 10 included in the trip guarantee. If you have a TAFB trip and you also have a leg over 10 you can do the math, TAFB/3.75 + block over 10 and that will be the trip guarantee. It should be noted that it does not matter if it is 1 or more legs, it is block in a single duty period. Now any leg on this trip you fly over 8 should be paid after the trip is done. In this example let's say you have 2 legs over 8, when you get back to base, the total block over 8 will be added to your trip pay.
If you have followed the recent grievance on block over 8 here is a quick recap: The rub comes when you have a block over 10, CDG-SFS for example. Say you have only 1 block over 8 on this trip and it is a TAFB trip. Your trip guarantee will include all of the scheduled block >10. Say the CDG-SFS leg is 12:30 and you actually fly it in 12:00. The assumption is you would get paid 2 hours of block over 8 pay, but the company is lowering that amount by the amount of total block under scheduled, in this case 1:30 is paid. Essentially they are deducting 30 minutes of trip guarantee since the 2:30 is already included. As long as you fly all of the block between 8-10 then you should always get the 2 hours. On legs over 8 but less than 10, you get what you fly and if you fly CDG-SFS in 13:15 you will get 2:45 block over 8 pay.
The CBA definitions are tough to follow and you can spend a long time digging into OSC,SCH and BKO definitions. If you are on a hard time or MPDP trip the block recapture is N/A, but you will be paid for the excess block in those duty periods. There are many domestic trips that pay block in 1 duty period and not the other, most trips more than 6 hours of pay for a 1 day trip has a good chance to fall into this category.
Hope this helps.
This could be a very LONG response, but I will try to give you the Cliff notes.
First, you need to determine how your trip guarantee is calculated. If you are on a T trip (the T after the CH in the bidpack pairing) that is the first clue you may be due block recapture. In this case any leg over 10 hours already has the block over 10 included in the trip guarantee. If you have a TAFB trip and you also have a leg over 10 you can do the math, TAFB/3.75 + block over 10 and that will be the trip guarantee. It should be noted that it does not matter if it is 1 or more legs, it is block in a single duty period. Now any leg on this trip you fly over 8 should be paid after the trip is done. In this example let's say you have 2 legs over 8, when you get back to base, the total block over 8 will be added to your trip pay.
If you have followed the recent grievance on block over 8 here is a quick recap: The rub comes when you have a block over 10, CDG-SFS for example. Say you have only 1 block over 8 on this trip and it is a TAFB trip. Your trip guarantee will include all of the scheduled block >10. Say the CDG-SFS leg is 12:30 and you actually fly it in 12:00. The assumption is you would get paid 2 hours of block over 8 pay, but the company is lowering that amount by the amount of total block under scheduled, in this case 1:30 is paid. Essentially they are deducting 30 minutes of trip guarantee since the 2:30 is already included. As long as you fly all of the block between 8-10 then you should always get the 2 hours. On legs over 8 but less than 10, you get what you fly and if you fly CDG-SFS in 13:15 you will get 2:45 block over 8 pay.
The CBA definitions are tough to follow and you can spend a long time digging into OSC,SCH and BKO definitions. If you are on a hard time or MPDP trip the block recapture is N/A, but you will be paid for the excess block in those duty periods. There are many domestic trips that pay block in 1 duty period and not the other, most trips more than 6 hours of pay for a 1 day trip has a good chance to fall into this category.
Hope this helps.
01-26-2010, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXFLYR
Stay in the bus and you won't have to worry yourself about this issue.
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