I said 1/1/2012, You say 12/31/2011. Whatever. One Day! Like I said before, there won't be any meaningful talks until 2014, and something to Vote on until 2015. Things change big time by then. And we will have the leverage.

 

I think UPS will try to get an impasse declared sooner rather then later. The biggest problem with the MOU is we showed UPS that we have 30% of us that would cross a picket line immediately.

 

Guys, stop all of the fruitless speculation. Just deal with what has been placed before us. They say "F", expect that that they will. The BT thrush video says it all. We have had time to prepare so this should come as no surprise. Be professional, fly the contract and only the contract, and let the union speak for us!

I'm out the door with the first 54 so for those of you who feel this is an injustice, I feel the same but that's life. Deal with it the best you can but remember that the culprit is not our union brothers: we have done all we could to avoid this...

 

1st, the IPA won't/can't strike. RLA and all of that, I don't see it. Plus, what is there to strike about? Furloughed guys. If the government lets that happen, then the whole industry shuts down. AA, UAL, CAL all have guys out.
2nd, I think the 1/3 that did jack are either selfish, lazy or a lot smarter than the 2/3. I doubt they are actually smarter, perhaps lucky. I don't think all of these guys would cross a picket. A few, but not all.
3rd, UPS has about 180, or whatever the number is, managers ready, willing and with marching orders to cross any picket. Some don't care and will cross, some would love to cross, but they all will fly when told to.
One final thought, UPS is a ruthless company run by some SOBs. I hope the whole thing was a bluff and 7 May it's called off. If not, I feel for the bottom 54 and most likely another 100. I don't think that you'll see the furloughs going into 2006 classes. No matter what happens, or what the pilots were thinking when they were hired at UPS, it just became a job. That's sad.

MBB

 

Would they do this ? are you kidding. I forecast the first 170 will go, and then they will realize with us not doing overtime, and the change in overtime they have overshot the mark and we will hold at the 170 for a while then by 2011 or 12 we will start to recall.

 

If and when I am furloughed I am not a hostage. My family and I will be fine without UPS. In fact, we will be a better family without their negative energy in our house.

No waivers, No favors, 100% IPA

 

IPA honored the Teamsters strike. What makes you think there would be any boxes for the managers to move?

 

I think you'd be able to continue overseas operations and there is always someone that either doesn't care or understand a picket line.

 

What is with the strike talk. a strike is not an option, never has been. This about these thugs declining the MOU, changing the goals, announcing a furlough, etc...

I just flew with a manager who asked me directly, why would you not take a temporary pay cut with a later snap back?

I told him, why should we open the contract and take a pay cut when the company is doing fine fiscally and the management just had raises/bonuses reinstated? Also told him I have no confidence or trust in this management team and their word. He had absolutely nothing to say. I am convinced these manglers (these guys are not our friends) have been given guidance to ask these questions and see what our sense of unity is. Those of you who think these guys are your buddies are fooling yourselves, distance yourself from these frauds.

 

Ref Naven's post on 30%. I don't think you'll ever see a strike.