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SaltyDog 02-28-2010 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 771068)
Salty,
The week-long gap in some Hot lines (3 weeks of Hot and one week off) is historically placed in VTO lines, or if unable, in OT.
Regards,
Roberto

Historically, yes. Historically, we used to have more hots.<g>
Sat Hot for better part of 10 years and used to track all the fleets out of curiosity and scheduling practices. They have learned to tighten it up and are more comfortable with less line pilots as they managed the supervisor flying closer.

CactusCrew 03-01-2010 02:58 AM


Originally Posted by Roberto (Post 771010)
I just count things and leave the good or bad up to the reader...

I haven't been looking at ANC other than reading in the forums that there is a problem with the reserve times not in complete sync with the needs, thus some JA attempts (or posts stating that some reserve crews accept the non-contractual times). That would fall in the category of "flights that do not fit the contractual reserve call-out time or maximum duty time."

If expect UPS is keeping good records of the reasons for MEF, but those are not available to me. I did qualify my post with "a lot, probably most" but that is just a guess across all fleets.


Not exactly ... nearly all of the ANC flying syncs perfectly with all RSV shifts.

What you read about is the fact that they run out of RSVA crews and then call a RSVB or RSVC crew and offer them an early release so that they can be legal for an early assignment the next day. An assignment that is perfectly legal for a RSVA and has been in open time for days. They are simply running out of reserves in the proper shifts, not flights that are outside of reserve windows.

In the first week of 10-02 I was one of 2 FOs available on RSVA. We both got called in on the same trip. UPS went for 3-4 days without any RSVA coverage.

How can they do this comfortably ? The management airline answers all calls at all times. It is the ONLY reason they can even consider a furlough in ANC, at least on the B747. I won't pretend to know what is up on the MD in ANC ...

Roberto 03-01-2010 05:59 AM

CC- Thanks for the clarification.

Roberto 03-01-2010 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by SaltyDog (Post 771076)
Historically, yes. Historically, we used to have more hots.<g>

Salty,
I think one of the last times I was on Hot it was with you in SDF <g>. Besides the DC8, there was an A300 and a 757. Now there are 2 757's, an A300, and an MD11. Has there been a reduction in out-station Hots to make up for the additional one in SDF?
Regards,
Roberto

JustUnderPar 03-02-2010 07:08 PM

So, if one of these "management" guys shows up to operate and they've had an extremely long duty day. Do we "have" to fly with them when we feel they are not safe? Look at what TG and MM did on the MD just recently.

Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?


Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!

Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint

Signal Delta 03-02-2010 10:22 PM

I'm not so sure the Taft-Hartley (NRLA) or Right-to-work laws (amendment to NLRA) really have any impact on us since we're under the Railway Labor Act. These (NLRA & RLA) are two completely different sets of labor laws. Apples & oranges, if I remember correctly.

CactusCrew 03-03-2010 03:09 AM


Originally Posted by JustUnderPar (Post 772179)
So, if one of these "management" guys shows up to operate and they've had an extremely long duty day. Do we "have" to fly with them when we feel they are not safe? Look at what TG and MM did on the MD just recently.

Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?

Can't have it both ways now can you? I know I dont want to operate with ANYONE that runs that type of schedule. Seems REALLY UNSAFE!!

Try this I guess!
How to File a Whistleblower Complaint



That makes for an interesting contradiction ...

Tigerpilot1995 03-03-2010 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by JustUnderPar (Post 772179)
Didn't some of these tools take guys off flights in ANC recently for commuting into a flight, yet they are doing the very crap they felt was unacceptable?

I was one of those people that got a talking to from MM. He couldn't have been more unprofessional to me. I have his itinerary printed off from the Flight Ops site. I welcome another "discussion" from him.

FYI, I wasn't removed from the flight and nor are they doing that with anyone. It is the CA who will remove you if it comes to that.

J Dawg 03-03-2010 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995 (Post 772366)
I was one of those people that got a talking to from MM. He couldn't have been more unprofessional to me. I have his itinerary printed off from the Flight Ops site. I welcome another "discussion" from him.

FYI, I wasn't removed from the flight and nor are they doing that with anyone. It is the CA who will remove you if it comes to that.

Perhaps it needs to "come to that" for some of these manglers..

FR8TFLYER 03-03-2010 04:06 PM

I used to think MM was an OK guy. The last few months have shown what a POS this guy really is. A sad day if he ever gets into the IPA.

767pilot 03-03-2010 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 770768)

You are right in that this type of situation is regulated by the individual States decision on whether or not they will be a right to work state.

Not so much. Federal law, RLA, supersedes state law (right to work). Doesn't matter if it is a right to work state or not.


Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 770768)
As for your common sense question; if it were me in the judges or arbitrators seat, it would seem to me that it would be unreasonable for the company to furlough pilots then claim that they were in an emergency situation because of lack of crews.

Reminds me of the guy that kills his parents and then begs for the mercy of the court because he is an orphan

newKnow 03-03-2010 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 772744)
Not so much. Federal law, RLA, supersedes state law (right to work). Doesn't matter if it is a right to work state or not.


767,

You kind of chopped up my paragraph. When I said "this type of situation," I was referring to union shops in general, not your UPS situation. I apologize for the lack of clarity:

[Quote From New K]

"What is allowed by Taft are union shops where the company hires an individual and then afterward, they must join the union (or, at least pay dues) within 30 days or their employment start date. You are right in that this type of situation is regulated by the individual States decision on whether or not they will be a right to work state." [End Quote]

Just to keep the record straight, I believe the only points I have been making was that 1.) there is no such thing as a closed shop anymore, 2.) what your union has negotiated in your CBA does matter & 3.) past practices allowed by your union will be taken into consideration by the decision-maker if it ever comes to that.

As for your analogy, that in todays times may unfortunately be a true case, I think that is a perfect example. You guys are in good shape if that were ever to happen. If I were the IPA, I'd be filing papers the second your managers were flying a minute more than what they were before the furloughs (if they happen). Once again, good luck.

New K


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