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finedavefine 05-19-2011 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 995651)
LAG - you're correct. Gotta check that box to bid it, but that's different then signing the agreement once it's your time to train/activiate.

It appears a few pilots have already exercised this option.

Ultimately, I think FDX is wise not send someone over to an FDA if they really don't want to go --- they'd just bid back within 2 yrs and it probably isn't very cost effective for the company overall.

Yup. I agree, and why not? In today's environment, why would anyone actually honor their commitment and keep their word? After all, we've grown up watching all sorts of folks weaseling out of all sorts of "deals", because it wasn't their fault. It was because they were beaten as children, or that their primary school teacher talked harshly to them, or their coach didn't put them in, in the "big game", or they didn't come in first in a race, or, or, or. Seriously, doesn't someone's word mean anything anymore? Obviously not.:( At least not for some.

Gunter 05-19-2011 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by 30 From Bottom (Post 995546)
I bet we don't fill half the slots for CGN F/O on the final. We will be hiring directly to ANC, CGN and HKG when this bid closes next month.

Don't have to. MEM domiciled FOs will fill the gap. An 80% costs savings solution is good enough.

Didn't we do some HKG SIBA in the Bus until it was filled?

FDX1 05-19-2011 11:19 AM

What if an ND bids CGN and can't give at least the 2 year commitment because of age 65. Will the Company let them go?

DLax85 05-19-2011 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by finedavefine (Post 995664)
Yup. I agree, and why not? In today's environment, why would anyone actually honor their commitment and keep their word? After all, we've grown up watching all sorts of folks weaseling out of all sorts of "deals", because it wasn't their fault. It was because they were beaten as children, or that their primary school teacher talked harshly to them, or their coach didn't put them in, in the "big game", or they didn't come in first in a race, or, or, or. Seriously, doesn't someone's word mean anything anymore? Obviously not.:( At least not for some.

fdf -

I'm not advocating the use of this clause as a bidding strategy, I was merely pointing out the fact that bidding a seat to an FDA is "different".

I think the clause is there (with a benefit to both sides) just in case a pilots "situation" changes --- e.g. unseen medical issue with pilot or dependent, spouse job change, child having some type of emotional difficulties with the move or school.

I've found that FEDEX doesn't like to keep people in positions when circumstances change and they don't want to be there --- e.g. Flex Instructor, LCA, ACP --- even if the contract may say there is a minimum length of time they must fulfill those roles once hired.

Once again, I am not recommending any disingenious bidding strategies --- merely pointing out a safegaurd that's written into the contract for adventurous FDA bidders.

Popeye 05-19-2011 12:29 PM

I beg to differ with both your sentiments. This is just business. No moral requirement or relativism necessary. We have an "agreement" with language that says this is how it works. Some times, lest I say many times, the company operates along similar practices. In this particular case, we get to throw a trump card to satisfy our need at a time and place that according to contractual verbiage, is adequate for the company.

HoursHore 05-19-2011 01:31 PM

Practice Bid's out/ 17 FO filled . Looks pretty JR.

iarapilot 05-19-2011 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Popeye (Post 995843)
I beg to differ with both your sentiments. This is just business. No moral requirement or relativism necessary. We have an "agreement" with language that says this is how it works. Some times, lest I say many times, the company operates along similar practices. In this particular case, we get to throw a trump card to satisfy our need at a time and place that according to contractual verbiage, is adequate for the company.


Exactly!............

ConnerP 05-19-2011 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by FDX28 (Post 995510)
The company thinks CGN will go very senior - most junior CA will be a low 200K employee number and junior F/O will be low 500K employee number....


I guess they thought wrong. At least on practice #1 which isn't worth much. 400k employee number for jr captain and only filled about half the fo's.

If they really thought it would go senior they must be adopting RC logic.

Jumbo Pilot 05-19-2011 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by ConnerP (Post 995892)
I guess they thought wrong. At least on practice #1 which isn't worth much. 400k employee number for jr captain and only filled about half the fo's.

If they really thought it would go senior they must be adopting RC logic.


And if the usual trend continues.. the final bid will be even more junior than the practice bids... as the senior people pull their bid at the last moment.

HumptyDumpty 05-19-2011 02:32 PM

Dang...at this rate they will have to hire Captains off the street. LOL.


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