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It didn't take long for 96/24 Jun to be gone. Capt has over 115 hrs for the month. ***???:mad:

I hope I don't have to work that much when I'm 64 years old.

The ONE AND ONLY ONE DP in the MD in MEM is also filled (both seats). Looks like the junior F/Os in both MEM and ANC either don't get it or just don't care...

Disappointing for the F/Os, though I've long since given up on the captains.

Disappointing for the F/Os, though I've long since given up on the captains.[/QUOTE]

Why would you "give up on the captains?" Seems like for every DP picked up by a captain, it's also picked up by a F/O. (Unless assigned to a reserve.)

MG2
(just another captain)

The MEM Capt is a nonmember and frequent repeat offender. I've also seen his name on another list. :rolleyes:

The MEM Capt. is a FAMOUS, "What's in it for me?" guy! Like MD11 says, he's on other (national!) lists :mad:

:confused: Why are we being so PC with vague references to "other list". I expect this kind of thing from him. It's his F/O and the two guys in ANC that I'm more POed at.

I think you're fixing to find out.....

ANC FO given trip on custom line post requal training

Can you guys translate for me again?

-96/24 Jun?
-DP?-
-member/non-member?
-he's on other (national!) lists = scab?
-ANC FO given trip on custom line post requal training?

re: the 64 year old ANC Capt...........Remember that Seinfeld episode where his uncle (Leo) is stealing books from a bookstore? His excuse when he gets caught is "I'm an old man, I can't remember, I get confused". :rolleyes:

1. pairing number and date
2. Disputed pairing - a trip annotated by ALPA as questionable in the way its built, though it is a legal trip (can only be assigned to those that ask for it, or, ideally, those on reserve)
3. not a dues paying member of ALPA
4. national scab list speaks for itself
5. Anchorage First Officer assigned a trip on a custom line after requal training to requal in the MD11 (he did not complete training in time to bid for the JUne bid period - and I didn't think scheduling could assign DPs on Custom Lines)

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. They CAN'T do that without the pilot asking for it. Now we have to hear the whines of "I didn't know" or "I forgot" until we get him re-educated on what is acceptable in ANC. If you're going to be a dumb@s$, please stay in Memphis! (Apologies to those Memphians that are not in fact dumb, a$ses, or any combination of the two.)

:mad:

Amazing that this still happens! Another fine example of the FYIGM mentality with some of our nonmember independent contractor types. Even more amazing when guys go out and socialize with the on the DP layovers????????

What's the Mem pairing number?

Captain has 135:56 credit with his carry over. No problem with being a wh0re when we aren't in negotiations as long as you aren't picking up DP's. Scum bag!

FO was sure to drop Memorial day weekend with Mil leave and decided to make up his money by picking up a DP. Scum bag!

458/8......

Man, if I ever get hired I have a LOT to learn.

So there's actually a scab list published...whoa...must make for some lonely trips.

The company loves these guys. They work their backside off and ruin their health. He's so oberweight he may croak the day after retirement. No life insurance payout and no retirement... Perfect!

Sorry, short thread drift...I hope.

Where can I download a "searchable" CBA for a Mac?

Same place that you can for a PC - have you tried p.f.c or fdx.alpa.org?:rolleyes:

I had one on my old PC that was formatted as an "HTML help file", and was much better than the regular PDF or HTML files. Sadly, my Mac won't seem to open it.

No excuses for the DP flyers in question, but maybe the DP process should have been/should be reworked. As I understand it, a DP has to not be flown for 3 months before action can be taken to have it removed. What happens one or two legs of that 9+ day DP change next month? And what do we gain by not flying it this month? Is there a better way to do this?

Disregard, operator error.

The point isn't what is to be gained by not flying the DP...it's what is lost by flying it. We lose a little more unity each time someone flies a DP and we weaken the integrity of the whole SIG/PSIT/dispute process.

You misunderstand the process. Not a very good process but it's all we have right now.

Don't let scumbags make you rationalize doing something you know is not right.

If someone wants to dine alone on trips, go right ahead and pick them up. It's your life.

Most of the repeat offenders are usually all about me anyway. Denying training swaps and the like. This just solidifies their standing and lets everyone know who they are.

Just trying to figure out how to find the DP's.

If I remember correctly, I read the SIG notes in the ALPA emails, and I don't recall any DP's for the 727, is that correct?

I just tried a search in Air Line Pilots Association, International and couldn't find a reference to dates and pairing numbers...

Thanks.

I keep the SIG email in my inbox until the month is over..... then delete

Disputed Pairings

MEM 777 - #60 on 28June11
MEM MD11 - #458 on 08June11
ANC MD11 - #96 on 24June11

Does anyone else wonder why we have less disputed pairings than in the past? Our trips certainly aren't any better. In fact, I would say the trips today as a whole, are much worse than they were 2 years ago.

Thanks, appreciate it.

A truism.

Which makes it all the more important, and easy, to support the DPs we designate now.

After you log on to ALPA.org, select "My MEC/LEC" and "FDX MEC" at the top of the page. That takes you to the FedEx MEC page. Once there, select "Scheduling Committee" under the Committee's drop down. About 1/2 way down the page (beyond the Pirep entry form) you will see SIG Notes in an orange box. That has the current and two prior months SIG notes. Heaven forbid they put a nice easy quick link to it on the 1st page...or maybe they have and it is just well hidden.

Actually, on the FDX MEC homepage, just scroll 2/3 the way down, look on the right for a symbol that reminds me of Andy Capp fighting, right next to that are the current and next months dp's...of course, you could just save the current sig notes email to your desktop, but that might be too difficult for some :confused:

Which part do I misunderstand? Like you, I'm not picking up any DPs, but don't confuse that with the process working. As someone mentioned, we've had very few DPs over the last couple years, yet trips "seem" to be getting worse. Like many other things, the company finds a way around to get what they want.

You may remember a few years back there was an MD-11 DP in MEM or ANC, that was not picked up (assigned to reserves) for 3 months, after which time the company said that the pairing was needed for system function, our "united" union said OK.

It is what we have right now and like many other things we have right now, it needs to be fixed in our favor.

That happened in ANC and our union didn't just say OK. The way the process works is, after 3 mos of the DP not being flown(except by reserves), it goes to VP of flight ops for disposition. In this case PC decided the PR was good to go. A flawed system without a doubt, but it was not the union that said ok.

One theory? Let's say there were 100 DPs in the past and 95 of them got flown by independent operators/stupid people for 3 months straight. Those 95 now become part of the bidpack (the crappy lines you are now referencing). Now we have only 5 DPs, which will soon be flown by same types as before, and they will enter the bidpack in 3 months, thus making the lines even crappier.

You are correct and I stand corrected on the final resolution. The process still needs to be revisited, imho.

I'm a MD guy, so I can't speak for other airframes, but the last time I noticed the same DP (regardless of how it was flown, reserve/vto/greed) in 3 consecutive months was many years ago. VCP-SJU-MEM or MEM-STN-CDG I think. Point being, how does the current process fix a bad pairing that is not a routine pairing? That's where we are now.

I remember both of those, particularly the VCP-SJU-MEM. Have you ever flown that pairing? I have flown it once (not when it was disputed) and it is a very difficult sequence. I'm not sure I have been more tired upon arriving at MEM. I will not fly this pairing again.

Fact is that if we would have hung tough, they would have worked in an SJU layover or a crew change and deadhead home. We didn't, the union pulled the dispute, and we have that crappy trip on the books today.

This is how our pairings start getting real bad..... There is a consequence for the rest of us when our fellow pilots fly these trips....

You may be thinking of the blue in bold below about trips not flown. They don't have to be DPs.

F. Final Resolution of Scheduling Disputes: SIG Neutral Track

If the Association SIG members elect to pursue the SIG neutral track, the following procedure shall apply.
1. Upon written request by the chairman of the SIG, the SCP shall convene a Scheduling Dispute Board. The board shall be composed of the SCP, the MEC Chairman, one Company SIG rep and one Association SIG representative.
a. The board shall meet within 5 calendar days to review appropriate data, including the flying history of the disputed pairing(s), at issue and discuss reasonable options on how the disputed pairing can be reconfigured in light of the operational requirements. Both sides shall use their best efforts to resolve the problem.
b. If the disputed pairing can be reconstructed, rebuilt or combined into another pairing so that the overall cost of the pairing is the same or essentially the same as prior to the reconstruction and the change does not compromise system form or reliability, then the pairing shall be changed accordingly.
c. Additionally, if on a recurring basis, a pairing, disputed or not, appears in open time and is routinely avoided by pilots trip trading or eligible for make-up, OTP, etc., and therefore must be assigned to a reserve pilot, the above procedure shall apply, unless the Association elects to pursue the VP/MEC Chairman track instead.


Decision comes down unilaterally from the VP of flight ops on a DP when there is no solution. See red above and blue below.

G. Final Resolution of Scheduling Disputes: VP/MEC Chairman Track

The MEC Chairman may elect to notify the Vice President, Flight Operations that he is invoking the VP/MEC Chairman track regarding a particular SIG dispute. The notification shall be in writing and shall state the unresolved concerns/problems and the Association’s position. Upon receipt, the Vice President, Flight Operations shall promptly have the stated unresolved concerns/problems investigated, including a review of the process undertaken thus far regarding the dispute. After at least one bid period of flying data is gathered on the disputed pairing, the Vice President, Flight Operations shall meet with the MEC Chairman at a mutually acceptable date and time to review the results of the investigation and discuss options for dealing with the unresolved concerns/problems. Following the meeting, the Vice President, Flight Operations shall advise the MEC Chairman in writing of what actions, if any, the Company shall take to address the presented concerns.