New Atlas contract
 

Have you guys voted on it yet?

There is no vote. This is an arbitrated contract and it is now in the hands of said arbitrator. We hope to have the final word by mid-summer.......

Atlas has been posting the first officer position openings on Climb350 on a daily basis. They must be having trouble finding good applicants. You would think with the thousands of applications they have on file they could work off those. So what changes would be in the new contract?

Atlas is hiring and having classes every three weeks but it seems there is turnover. Guys are finding jobs elsewhere after getting hired at Atlas for various reasons.

HUM....Atlas is having turnover. What does that mean? Maybe those 16 day trips are not so great with a 50hr guar first year. SWA is only alowed to keep you out 4 days at a time and my friend who is a 4 year F/O is making 14K a month with no overtime. Follow the money and QOL always. With some of the majors and high paying cargos hiring again maybe the corporate strategy of "Just be happy to have a job" will finally go away.

Solid advice. Thanks for that little gem.

No Overtime? BS, he's working the system, Hard! 4 year FO's at UPS have to put forth a little effort to top that, and they get paid way more than a SWA FO.

A 4th year FO making 14K a month with no overtime? That seems highly unlikely. SWA pays per trip, not per hour but if you convert the trips to an hourly wage it comes to about $115/hour for a 4-year FO. So, if your friend is making $14K/month then he's working what equates to around 120 hours a month. That's serious overtime. I believe SWA's guarantee is equivalent to 78-79 hours/month. So, either he's working the system big time or else he has exaggerated his monthly income. At $14K/month without OT, that comes to $168K a year. I don't know any airline that pays FO's that well.

Agreed....typical SWA hyperbole:cool:

I do.
But, I guess that depends on your definition of an "airline". ;)

I am sure then that all the HAPPY people who work at Atlas and all those who wish to work at Atlas, will be happy that you will not be in the mix at Atlas.

I would love to be happy at Atlas - although I heard you really need an internal rec to get past the initial filter.

Any previous C-17 drivers working there that could PM me some info??

Thanks!

I can echo that a 4 yr FO can make that much. $165k but that is definetly with OT. The average month is 105 trip pay. You can always go for time off as well. Nice being able to have a choice what you want to do that month.

If he was to max out at 100 hours a month, he would only be bringing in $11,500 at current 4th year pay.

What do you classify as initial filter?

If your talking the very first contact that an Atlas H.R. rep has with you in the form of the phone screen, which after you pass leads to the link for the online tech assessment/NHPS form, which leads to the call for an interview in Miami, that would NOT be correct.

Plenty of dudes made it past that initial filter (if that's what you meant) and went on to be hired without knowing anybody. Also, there's guys that have internal recs and can't even get a call, as evidenced by the other thread in the hiring section.

Climb350, is a subscription based site; that rewards job posts, with free months subscriptions. I've found many of the job posts to be out of date, already filled or just plain bogus (Southern Air, Inc was furloughing in '09 and someone was posting on climg350 that they were hiring).

I'll bite, what do you mean?

I heard a rumor that the new contract might not be for another year now....due to the arbitrators health condition? Has anyone heard that?

He's joking that FedEx is (sometimes? rarely?) referred to as not a "real" airline, especially when compared to pax carriers.

But pay-wise, it is most definitely a "real" airline.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Atlas thread.

Good luck guys - arbitration seems to be feast or famine. Hoping the Atlas boys get a good break.

You don't need an internal rec. Decent total time with good jet PIC time seems to be the key now... perhaps LCA experience is good too. I've got a friend with around 4500 TT and 2000+ jet PIC that is an LCA at a regional that has recently made it through the online test.

I've got an idea...don't apply if it doesn't suit your lifestyle.

That is one less person the guys that are interested in Atlas have to compete against.

There are plenty of guys here that are perfectly happy at their (our) lot in life...I don't make any apologies for flying at Atlas.

As I have said on the other thread, there are certainly better places (like FDX, UPA, and possibly SWA), but there are most definitely worse.

That's good to hear that Atlas doesn't require an internal rec. It seems that a lot of airlines are needing that internal rec/sponsor to even get a call - that's what I meant by "1st filter".

I totally understand, and agree, that once you start the interview process it should be on your shoulders to prove you have what it takes...it's just frustrating waiting around for that first call to come.:)

I'm starting to run into that "loss of recency of flight" issue. It's been 6 months while I've been waiting for a call. :( Any recommendations on what I can do to keep some hours building to stay "recent"??

Thanks

How much do you make while in training for the 8 weeks in MIA? Can you go home on the weekends? Do they pay all your expenses while there? Do FOs get typed during that time?

When I was there it was 1250/mo. Yes, of course you get typed.

You WILLNOT have weekends off.

So that would mean you are not paid the guarentee.

Any Atlas folk want to give a guess as to how many have been hired so far this year?

No... while in training you are on training pay.. at least for the first 60 days, then you go on guarantee... which is 50 hours for 1st year crew members

You are on training pay until you start OE or do an observation ride. There is no fixed time. The company provides the hotel in MIA.

I joined United early 2000 flew the B757/767, been furloughed twice. Got loads of international time. I applied to Atlas at least 12 times. I never heard anything even with recommendations.

Oh I flew 95hrs every month at United and the most I ever made in a year was $74k. So if they start to hire I expect they will have a lot quitting to go to other places just like in 2007. But with 1437 of us out on the streets and no hope of a return date yet, it'll be a while.

I think your point is that UA was a good experience until it wasn't, correct?

I guess it has been the same at a lot of the airlines (legacy, regionals, cargo, etc). At Atlas, we've had furloughs as recently as 2 years ago. And we are just getting over the debacle of our ghost operation in the UK.

That said, the short to medium term looks to be good here. Long term? Ask me when we all turn 65 and retire...then we'll know if we made the right choices.

I wish you luck, unitedflyer, and others, looking for stable, semi-long-term employment.

I like your style driver... tell em'...

United flyer,

check out World. 65 hour minimum and 12 days off. Not bad, and really really cool flying as long as you are up for some excitement. Been here 4 years and think its a great job. Can't imagine flying to boring domestic stops all the time and the MD-11 will wake you up on final approach!

Is World hiring? Where do you train?

Unitedflyer-

I'd give up on Atlas, I have. Despite having hired a few last year, UAL furloughee's have been discriminated against at Atlas. Drop me a PM and I'll give you the skinny if your interested.

No offense to any Atlas folks here, just have to call a spade a spade and keep some of us from developing unrealistic expectations. The scarlet letter "U" is very much alive.

KC

KC135,
I'm sorry to hear that...and kinda surprised, because we have quite a few furloughed United, USAir, etc. The only ones that I have heard are having trouble (not just at Atlas, but others that are hiring) are UPS furloughees. I guess employers are figuring that furloughees from UPS are likely gonna go back to their previous positions. Not so much for some of the other furloughees.
Good luck.

744-

Perhaps I am rushing to judgment in making such claims. I know several furloughed folks at Atlas but I have not heard of any new ones this year. I can kinda understand Atlas, or any other employers side, why consider somebody who might return to their previous employer? They (HR departments) talk to each other during job fairs, so they know, roughly, when outfits might be recalling (which with UAL probably being in the next 12 months).

Sure, some people will return if recalled, but it locks the rest of us who were not fortunate to get hired earlier at Atlas or elsewhere out of the entire process. I know employers did the same thing during the post 9/11 downturn when I was on the street the first time.

Anyway, not trying to complain or throw mud, just want to warn my UAL brothers/sisters still looking for work, that based on my own experiences and a few others, Atlas appears to not be the place. I sincerely hope I am wrong.

KC

I am curious, I read that the SW 4th year FO pay is about $102 per trip. How big is their guarantee to get them to $14k a month? $14k/102= 137 trips a month... No overtime?

I apologize if my numbers are incorrect, as I do not have access to an actual copy of the SW contract.

S

since ive been at atlas, have had 1 day, 3 day, 4 day, and longer trips. i have averaged 17 days at home the 1st 6 months.

in training u stay at residence iinn, in your own rrom. there is a free shuttle. u get tng pay and perdiem. starting in the fall it is planned for all pilots to have tablet with all pubs on it.

i met 2 ual double furloughees while in tng...they were in tng...that was last year.