Ive heard rumors the new MD-11 training program will be much shorter. Apparently, a number of loft events have been removed. Does anyone know details or how it will affect the recently revised training letter?

When I upgraded from the right seat to the left seat, it was "death by loft!" Fewer would be BETTER!

In the schoolhouse now and have heard a few things floating around:

Most or all MDS's going thur syllabi changes. Starts 9 Jan. The training letter was revised to build some slop (time) in order to evaluate the new program(s). Schoolhouse leaning more towards Pro's these days and will continue so.
(MD-11) - 1 week of gnd school is gone as well as some of the later lofts (those tasks however are embedded in the other AST's). Plan to show up for school with LMS/CBT's completed and a solid understanding of systems. Only a few days (maybe 3) of review and then your ESV. LMS/CBT's will be required before specific events but can't be started until opted from the previous event. Since the LMS is tracked and logged, if you don't complete it before the sim, you'll have to do it after the sim, within a certain time period (I heard 3 hrs).

My impression is as they shrink the program's overall length, they are putting more of the instruction on-line (pilot self-help) and setting daily deadlines to complete said instruction (whether systems or FTD/AST). The pro's are there to provide review and answer questions rather than provide complete instruction (you should already know it). Anything not covered by training, "you'll get that during IOE." I can say the study material they have provided has been 1st class and there have been no surprises, it's all on-line.

Not sure if it's good or bad, but it is a shift in training methodology (at least from FDX past)....YMMV

Thanks Cujo.

I'm sure. They want you to know almost as much but want you to do the studying before you show up. Enjoy.

This sounds like the 777 training footprint.

What Cujo said is correct, however the self study is not so that the pro can just answer questions to your self study but to facilitate instruction on the next lesson. Instructors will still be instructing, not just answering questions.

Yes there are 9 less days in the initial/transition syllabus. Most of it comes from 5 less days of systems. Cujo nailed it, you need to come to school prepared for this one. The sims that were lost are the SPOT (special procedures), HUD (incorporated into the syllabus on day one), and MD10 sims are combined into one sim (to be done after the LOE). That's it. Yes there is still death by LOFT (2 sims, ILOFT and DLOFT). No more International Ground School either. That will be incorporated into several sims/ftds.

The biggest change comes in the upgrade syllabus. I haven't seen it in print but as I understand it, it's 2 systems days, ESV, 2 Procedure days (FTDs), PV, ground school, CMV1, CMV2, LOE. The whole program will take 2 weeks. Should be interesting.

Hope this helps.
Disco

Thanks for the better and more accurate data. Have a good trip!

I think it is a load of crap to require us to have LMS and CBTs done prior to training, WITHOUT pay and/or it the time built into the syllabus! As professional pilots, most of us will come day one prepared, and with CBTs/LMS complete. To require it without it built in the syllabus, or paid doesn't seem contractually right (Said without referencing the contract). If I remembered the Airbus initial correctly, I spent 20 some hours prior to day one doing LMS/CBTs.

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777 has home study days built in to the front end of the training foot print.